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Hayate is faster, can actually poke, and his crushes work better. What's a better gimmick? Ninpo can be stopped by 2p no matter what, and izuna holds are just holds. You're right, though, they're both really stupid.

Everything he has is better. Range game and damage are about the same, then he's faster and safer.

No he's not. Master is making him work because he good and people dont know how to deal with his gimmicks. Saying Hayate is worse because no ones played him isnt really fair.

Every high level player will tell you otherwise.

Wake up kicks are stupid. I'm going to keep saying it, I don't care if you understand or not, but i'm not talking about it anymore; they're STUPID.

Hayate is better than Hayabusa. Hayabusa is a bunch of gimmicks, Hayate at least has his speed.

They warrant nerfing because they're stupid. I should have HAVE to guess after I knock you down.

Because they've been in the game in the past doesn't mean they aren't stupid.

It's not technically off topic. 9K - 6P+K isn't guaranteed though; you can struggle then turn around and block or hold. It's a crazy set up if you do get it, but if you don't you're unsafe. In comparison, Jann can guarantee 105 damage on CH/closed stance with his limbo. As far as I know...

Ohhhh ok That's because you're guessing, you're not waiting till you see it. It is easy.

You're right, Raansu must not have input it fast enough when he recorded. 3pp is the easiest thing to hold on reaction though. It shouldn't matter if you delay it for 2 reasons: first, he only has 1 follow up after it ;second, he gives you ample time to see and react to it. He move his arm...

No. Wake up kicks are stupid and make no sense.

Assuming you let 3pp hit you (It's the easiest thing to react to ever), the CB isn't guaranteed.

That goes for wake ups, too. I've heard they're nerfing them. lol

Most of the DOA community is on Xbox, they're either used to the 360 pad or have bought their own stick or pad for it. Switching to PS3 means spending more money, or using the PS3 pad that they aren't used to (which isn't all that fantastic either).

Yep. All you're doing is holding block from standing, then switching to block in a crouching position as fast as you can. That's not as easy as you make it sound. There is risk to trying to flip over someone. It's all moot, wake up kicks are stupid, I don't care how many tools they give people...

Actually Jann's mids are faster; only thing Gen Fu has on Jann is his 11i high kick. I went through his move list to see if I was missing something and the only sit down I found was 3pp. It doesn't give him a guaranteed CB, and it ends a string that's insanely easy to see. Gen Fu's also got...

They may not be huge problems, but they are problems. The negatives for PS3 outweigh the negatives for 360.

If I knock you down a set of stairs, I should not have to worry about getting hit with a wake up kick; If I knock you down while my back is near a wall, I shouldn't HAVE to guess between wake up kicks. I'm assuming when you say "ground game" wake up kicks are what you mean. They're dumb.

Assuming Gen Fu is top.