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So if one player, lets say Mamba places top 3 with Helena consistently but no other player can even make top 20 with her would you say she was top tier because of that? Because I would say that a good player is simply carrying a crap character.

Helena only places top 3 with the same players each time. If there was a little more diversity of players doing well with her I'd be more inclined to say she was top/high tier material. Helena wins more than Sarah, Lei Fang and Ayane and there is no way in hell she is stronger than they are...

I wish her i13 Mid P would stop trashing my i12 Mid P... lol

I think people are underestimating just how strong Sarah is. Looking at her from the outside she is fast, has plenty of + frame set ups and does a lot of damage. But when you look at her frames in depth it is kind of terrifying how unbelievably good they are. # P+K is +2 on block. If you do K...

Tina, Bass, Eliot, Bayman, maybe Hitomi. Helena doesn't really STOMP on any character, her match ups are just decent without any real horror shows with the exception of Jann, Sarah, Fu and Fang.

Even the Dreamcast version? I don't recall seeing that, although it was like 12 years ago.

If they are adding this "bind state" thing for free juggles, the launch that has the opponent spinning, more sit down stuns and the possible nerf or removal of force tech's then the game will change a lot. If Helena loses her force tech's she will be an unrecognisable character when the game...

Definitely, she was all round a much more interesting character. In DOA5 she was given a tool that was so good they had to scale back everything else to stop her being OP. Which resulted in her being a very one dimensional character. I really hope FT's get removed because that is the only way...

The original versions of DOA2 had 3 point holds. 4 Point holds didn't turn up until DOA2 Ultimate.

Watching those two spamming P+K was the only thing that made me slightly glad to play DOA5.

Thinking about it won't a lot of this discussion become irrelevant if TN is overhauling the game and it's characters so drastically?

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Mr. Wah Match up numbers for Helena: Edit: Wah informed me there are no .5 match ups so I will add an additional rounded up numerical figure for those that have .5's in brackets. Vs Akira 5 - 5 Vs Brad Wong 4.5 - 5.5 / (5 - 5) Vs Hayabusa 4.5 - 5.5 (5 - 5) Vs Rig 4.5 - 5.5 (4 - 6) Vs Alpha...

If she loses her PFT, but her +13 and +15 sit down stuns became say +16 and her new sit down stun that leaves her in BKO guarantees CB like a lot of others she would have: 5 sit down stuns that guaranteed 9K (free launch). 2 sit down stuns that guarantee CB. Combine this with her strong mix...

I vaguely understand what you are saying but most moves are not -15 on block, often they are -9 or so which means if all throws are escapable then there is no way to guarantee a punish against the opponent seeing as the fastest moves (of which there are only 3 of these in the game) come out in...

If the entire system got reworked to balance it out that would be fine, but this guy just wants throw punishment eliminated which is bad.

That's a terrible idea, that means characters who are unsafe as a balance for being fast, having great string mix up or hitting like a truck can get away with being throw punished for doing unsafe strings.

This is pretty much it. Helena's blender is good but she needs to make a decent read to capitalise on it, +4 is enough to force the opponent into a bad situation but it is nowhere near enough to do whatever she likes. A lot of her mix ups can be fuzzy guarded and outside of her fairly slow...

I'd like them to use the announcement trailer as an intro for DOA5U. I wouldn't mind being able to watch it again seeing as they didn't bother to include any movie at the title screen.

Helena Hayabusa Christie Brad Wong Mila Ayane Tina Bass Pai Zack Bayman Lei Fang All of these characters have extremely strong force tech/pseudo force tech games. Other characters probably have it too but I just don't know the specifics of it. Force teching is incredibly useful. Any good...