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@SilverForte I brought that subject up with him. Hitomi's is getting tracking +5 frame advantage lows that must be shaken down to -1 which usually isn't done well on reaction. Regardless, 3H+K for someone like Hayate is coming in at 23i. Ryu's 3H+K would come in at 27i most likely with the first...

An 18i [LOW] kick? Also it's more so about what makes Hayabusa need this over his regular Ongyoin throw? Give him the proper advantage and the proper tools to demand respect and +6 will be more than sufficient. At +6, Ongyoin is demanding the respect it needs too (ESPECIALLY with the addition of...

I can't believe some of what I'm reading. A 17i hit throw not withing a stance? +10 on 66K (for what?!), 4P2P and 1K frame advantage? You guys are pushing hard. But, here's my list. KK/33PK - 0 on block again (Both incredibly slow guard breaks which are also high) 66K - Launch at max...

Fucking sick video from Master. Always entertains.

If one of the jobs gives me a call back, I'm gunna drop some footage of Hayate and Ein in celebration. Hopefully it'll impress some of you.

Like I said, I appreciate his input. Even if it sounds like I'm chewing him out I'm just dropping my opinion against his. Ein isn't unplayable but he's definitely not doing great things right now. As for the rest of you. Lets set it here, one word responses at the top of your post. Explain your...

"But you also have to realize that it's changes like this that set the standard for what characters should already be in DOA. Other characters have their players who analyze them and determine what should be improved and that's their job. This character is ours. Now let's get our bottom tier...

Well the thing is I don't want 4K to be that low on usability. Why not make it lift stun or SEable guts stun (Kokoro's 6K) on NH like 8K for Kasumi and 8K for Rig? That way nothing is guaranteed but he can at least work with it. Even with the launcher honestly, he's only doing like what on...

Alright for now I'm gunna mirror it to Hitomi's.

I swear it tripped yesterday on CH in the lab. Ok you got me, I still don't think Ein should have it though. Give him that trip stun and people are gunna have a little trouble with 1P, 4K. I'm down if ya'll are but... it's just something to be careful about. @Saber I skipped over another...

I'll make the changes when I get back home

@Saber I'll knock this shit out the park real quick. 6P+K and 4K are things you and me are probably never going to agree on. Regardless, the stun of 6P+K would not be THAT bad, especially considering instant holding out of it dwindles it down to +13 which is a jab for him. That's still a guess...

Dat Wah Bass play...

You mistook that 1K for Ryu's probably. HIS stunned on NH for whatever dumb ass reason. Fuck Ryu man... seriously. So what are you looking to compare specifically? Just the important tools or most every aspect?

Really missing PP4P, 8KK for Ryu right now. :/