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Can we pretend lopedo's charade never existed?

Those don't exist; at least in public PC lobbies.

Ryu's 33T is also quite satisfying.

Furthermore, a sidestep won't always lead to guaranteed punishment against Tenfu P+K. Various ranges will cause a SS attack to whiff. As for "you do not compare their fighting style," you were literally comparing their fighting styles when you said that Tina doesn't rely on strikes and Kasumi...

You said "Tenfu P+K [..] is unsafe," meaning if it's guarded, it can be punished. That's what "unsafe" means. "Anticipate it and sidestep it" does not make it unsafe. By that logic, all slow /telegraphed moves are unsafe because you can just react to them and hold/SS/whatever them away. That's...

He's a man. He ain't coming.

"if you see a Phase 4 jump into Tenfu at range, sidestep and you won’t be hit," -Incredibly dismissive over-simplification aside (on second thought, you probably would argue that Ryu's not a zoner), I'd still like to know how to guaranteed punish the move. "Marie and Phase 4 are not comparable...

6) I'm beginning to think that Coolcat is the actual Derek Savage. ♡♡♡♡♡♡♡♡♡♡♡♡♡♡♡♡♡♡♡♡♡

...but you probably wouldn't agree that he's not a zoner. You can argue that Phase 4 isn't a zoner, but tools like 66K2P+K, Tenfu P+K or literally anything from Chifu (flaws and all) are so far beyond what Marie's kit offers Phase may as well be a zoning god in direct comparison.

5) Lastly, there seems to be an assumption that I suggested Phase 4 was not low tier, which I never did. I did suggest that she has great speed, potent zoning tools, and good damage output. The last point is debatable. As for zoning tools, everything is relative. I could argue that Hayabusa is...

...I would un-ironically be grateful if you told me the method to universally punishing that. 4) Looking at other people who agree with you is not that compelling. Popular opinion has never really been that reliable in the general population, and the DOA community doesn't skew those odds favorably.

...you'd just have to be content with it until your experience with her usurped mine (maybe it does, this is just a hypothetical, but you understand the concern). 3) I'll admit, my lack of character knowledge may be an issue here, as I do not know how to punish Tenfu P+K. The placement and...

2) If playtime/experience is the primary determinant of the aforementioned assessment, there are some pretty troubling consequences. Example: if I had more experience w/ Nyotengu, then I could more accurately assess how she stacks up than you by default. So if I were to say that she was the...

1) I didn't claim to know your main better than you. I suggested that people often have problems evaluating their mains relative to other characters. Since nobody is a master of all characters, you can know your main inside and out, and still not properly assess how they stack up against all...

I'm never happy.

Struggles in every other aspect like SS checks and space control. It's almost like it's bi... oh. My mistake. Please, go on and tell me how terrible your main is.

Phase 4 has great speed, high damage and zone control. Don't tell me that struggling to open up a patient opponent makes you bottom tier?

Team NINJA used to make new games... now it's just recycled content and overpriced DLC...