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Well I'm sure Master's shown this a few times but I believe 236P, 4K, K, WR 4KK will exceed the air throw on damage depending on the situation. The air throw doesn't scale in a juggle so I'll get the numbers when I get home. This topic is less than acceptable though... are there other topics...

Well here's what I do know. Issues need to be worked out on his stance. At +6 Ong 2p+k should check SS and Hayate's 2p, but it doesn't check his 2p. I vote that this should be fixed since 20i - 6 would = 14i. That's the sad part. Also for the first time ever I saw a move pull someone SSing...

I find it so weird that you don't like the strange camera angles xD. I liked them more in the E3 Version for it though. I saw Master do it against Vanessa and I was like, "yea I'm playing Ryu in this game".

I'm not ignoring you, I just don't have the answers. A low OH is far superior to a low throw though. It'll catch low holders, low punchers, duckers, and any crouching status move in general and the only thing you're vulnerable to is strikes that aren't crouching status and low throws, but what's...

I'll break 66K down again tomorrow. I'm exhausted. Ong P does track. It says that on the move data. Hayate's command SS is a high crush for a few frames. Towards the end of the SS it no longer crushes.

Nigga's can fuzzy guard if they like, but regardless I'll still play. Like I said, the parry only risk NH unless the opponent grabs. If the opponent wants to grab at -6, ummm I think that person is being a total idiot or feeling themselves a bit too much. That being said you can cancel out, back...

I feel like one man's trash is another mans treasure. When I play as Hayate, getting neutral is the greatest feeling in the world... With Hayabusa it feels like they just hand it out... and that's saying a lot since Hayabusa DOESN'T get that much easy frame advantage on block. I'm gunna have...

False. Some people do actually.

Didn't mean to offend. It's just I don't know you, and from the way it sounded it didn't seem like you knew exactly because for the most part you were... I guess beating around the bush... Which is what a lot of people hate in this topic. They say that people "make claims but don't drop the...

Like I said, Hayabusa can clear out all but 7k with his own standing K which comes in a 12i. It'll stop everything except crushes. By doing that it levels down Hayate to only being able to us 14 frame mids, or jabs, which is when Hayabusa goes to work. 6p will cut everything else off and KP will...

I apologize. I know it sounds that way, but I'm really just combating the generalized notions by most. Brute's given me straight up reasons before, and I've still disagreed but (no offense), I'm not really buying MBlue's... but like I say that's just me. You're right though, his stuns are...

I'll go on actually since I already started, using brute's claims. Hi Brute. I covered this. K disposes of 6p, and a jab will dispose of both. 6p's follow ups are completely punishable by Ryu as well and it's disadvantage on NH and block. The risk is higher then he reward. K is also...

You're "pretty sure"? Or have you broken it down side by side and played both of the characters on a serious level? I don't mind if you haven't been to tournaments or an offline spot but if you at least know the frames, damage, and safety (etc.) that you're talking about by heart, then I'll...

Definitely 6-4 or 7-3 from the way I see it. In the end Hayate's fastest tools are 10 frame jab straight to a 12 frame mid punch (6p) and mid kick (7k). The balance comes to the fact that Busa can simply advanced hold the punch and put Hayate in the air for more guaranteed damage than Hayate...

^I like this guy.

In the end you'll just have a more annoying time playing as Hayate vs Busa than Busa vs Hayate.

"No 7-3 matchups", HAH! Thing about Christie's SS is that you need a well-timed mid/low or tracking mid/low. Some unfortunate characters lack that luxury allowing her to "dance around" them as DR2K said. Hell I don't even think there's a safe or somewhat safe tracking mid that Kokoro or Eliot...

I'm in.

DOA5U. If Momiji is good I'll keep watch on it. If Hayate's better, I'm going to play. If the mechanics are stepped up, I'm in completely.

well it feels great to rage about doa5