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Good. Other M was bad and he should feel bad.

Didn't they just discover an infinite with Ancient Ogre as well?

Ah ok. I assume she still has the same followup from P+K? Yeah I didn't really play 4, but I've seen Mamba and Dr. Dogg use her. Helena and Tina are my characters, and it looks like I'm going to have to re-learn their movelists a bit since they both seemed to have changed a bunch, but it's...

Ah thanks for all of that. She really has changed a bit. That bit about 33P really surprised me, as it's the exact opposite in 3.1. 33P is amazing, but if you get that second P you're screwed since she can't juggle off of it. And yeah, you can clearly tell which game I'm most familiar with...

I didn't play 4 so forgive me if these launchers were absent in that game, but she also has 4K, 33P, 3P+K, and 8P. Also, I'm pretty sure you can't launch with 9K after a CB anyways since it's the second kick that actually launches and not the first. If you hit the opponent with any move that...

Agreed. This soundtrack is absolutely terrible, but this track is the one thing that saves it.

I'm glad it helped you out! Most of the combos, strings, setups, and properties of her moves should stay the same. The only thing that won't work the same is her movement. Since they improved the freestep system between 3.0 and 3.1, she's not nearly as mobile in 3.0, which is kind of a...

Updated OP with more info on :8::P: and :1::P:, a new juggle, a pseudo-guaranteed juggle out of :2::1::4::f+p:, a BKO section under recommended juggles, and a list of moves that will change her stance.

Not for nothing, but she was on par with everyone else at GVN. She was a solid mid tier character. I don't know if they nerfed her or not for sure, but if they did (which, from what Dr. Dogg said sounds probable), then she would have to be somewhere below the mid tier. Of course, no one...

Hard work won't make the character viable. If a character is bad, they will always be bad (unless some crazy awesome tech is discovered or they get patched). You can certainly put a lot of work in with Helena and be an awesome player and win tournaments with her, but that doesn't mean she's a...

I see. That doesn't sound promising, but I'm going to reserve judgment until I play the game for myself. I'm less concerned with how safe she is and more concerned with ways for her to guarantee damage and avoid the stun system.

Sounds like DOA 4 Tina to me. If she ends up being as bad as you say she is, this is really disappointing.

Wait, what? They nerfed her?

Tell me about it. It seemed like a lot of characters (Jann Lee, Bass, Tina immediately spring to mind) just play like less good versions of their 3.1 selves. I was hoping they would take the same approach with Helena in 5. Maybe give her the ability to sidestep out of BKO or give her back...

I've noticed this board getting more active, so I figured I'd share some 3.1 Helena info. Nobody really played her (no one ever really did before 4 haha), so it's hard to find info on her in this game. I've put a lot of work into her, so here are a couple of notes and things worth knowing about...

It'd be awesome, but it would never happen. 3.1 caters to such a small audience that there's no way TN would go through with it, as the casual fan wouldn't give a rat's ass about the game if 5 is already out. In their minds, no one would buy it. The only people who would be interested are...

Great. A lot of this discussion seems to be based on what she lost from 4 which I didn't play, so I had no frame of reference haha. This was all I needed to know. Thanks!

That's actually a little better. Sorry if this has been answered before, but does she have any of her 3.1 tools in 5 (:8::8: or :2::2::p:, :6::6::p::k::p:, being able to freestep out of BKO, tic throws, etc.)? Does :2::1::4::f+p: leave her with frame advantage? You used to be able to...

The vibe I get from what Dr. Dogg is saying is that this game is really unbalanced. Unlike in other fighters where low tier characters can still win in a competitive setting, there seems to be a HUGE level of disparity between the Sarahs, Akiras, and Busas and the Brads, Lisas, and Helenas...

A ridiculously impractical moveset, apparently.