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Please no more stealth nerf's. I'm sort of okay with Helena's force tech nerf but the fact that it wasn't listed annoys me. It was a probably the largest singular nerf and they just what, forgot it some how? Just watch them remove one of her legs and make her balance on one foot in Bokuho...

Honestly I am not 100% who is high tier post patch, top tier is easier to figure out. As far as Helena goes she is going to take some serious lab work to see how her force tech's work, if they work at all. Even if they are somewhat intact she will be weaker regardless. If the glitch stays in...

Ah I see, thanks for explaining that. I'd say that sucks but having a 2 hit CB would be kind of overkill.

High Tier: Akira Hayabusa Helena Kasumi Brad Wong... take it with a pinch of salt. Helena's side step kick has gone under your mid's? Wow... that is unlucky :p A sabaki would be sweet, might just be easier to remove the nerfs her BKO stance though. The only way to get out of that string is...

No it's 8P > P+K > P+K > CB. It can't be slow escaped.

She is top because she can do a lot of damage and she can guarantee it easily without taking many risks. I can't remember the notation but I found a 2 hit CB with her, one attack that leads to ubu (or whatever it's called) straight to CB. She isn't as ridiculous as Jann Lee or Lei Fang but she...

I don't know what their deal is, they know how big a deal this is. It's not like it would take more than one tweet to answer. YES or NO or WE KEPT SLOW ESCAPING ON UNHOLDABLES BUT INCREASED THEIR FRAME ADVANTAGE. My guess is the latter will happen if we get anything at all. Imagine we wait...

I was talking about her jab and mid punch speed in reference to someone saying she can't compete with Kasumi and Christie. 99.9% of attacks in DOA5 leave the attacker at disadvantage so finding an opportunity to make use of her P and 6P against those two isn't difficult at all. How often are...

The ONLY time that i1 difference in attack speed matters is at the start of the round and if the opponent gets predictable she has the tools to shut them down for it, some characters don't even have that. The only attacks Christie and Kasumi have up on Kokoro speed wise is P i9 and 6P i11...

Jann Lee, Lei Fang and Gen Fu are all extremely linear and that didn't stop them being top tier. Crippled is a very strong word for a character as good as Kokoro. She is still able to by pass the stun game easily, her damage output is still extremely high, she's still really safe. If linearity...

Top Tier: Jann Lee > Nerf's didn't mean shit. Lei Fang > As above. Gen Fu > What's a nerf? Sarah > Why the fuck did I get buffed?! Kokoro > Same character, still hits like a truck.

If nerf's were a result of people complaining Jann, Lei and Fu would have got nerfed hard. The fact that the weaker characters got nerfed the most indicates character changes were a result of TN doing what they wanted rather than listening to us.

Every one of her 3in1's worked as a pseudo force tech, 33P4P, BT 4PPP and BKO 6P4PP did the same thing on airborne opponents. 33P4P was just the easiest to land from forward facing. If they can tech before the last hit of all her 3in1's like they can do with 33P4P then all her pseudo's have been...

Can you expand on that? I have only heard Mamba say that her force techs have been trashed, indicating all of them have been altered to act the same. Does that mean they can only tech early in 33P4P and not say BT4PPP? Even if that is the case it's still a pretty big nerf. How exactly has...

Ryujin just told me that only one of her force tech set ups got nerfed, does that mean they can tech early on 33P4P but not the other 3in1's?

I've never seen it myself but I am guessing it is like her BKO K where they cannot SE out of it but they can counter.

Still no patch notes, even more ridiculous.

You obviously have experience with the SSFIV community so I'm guessing you know how people who play other fighting games disregard DOA without having a whole lot of knowledge of the franchise. Comments like "nothing is guaranteed" says a lot, demonstrating that they don't even know that air...

Helena's Sit Down Stuns Pre Patch: 6PP, 3PPP & SSP > +15 Only guarantee 3P. BT 7P > +13 Guarantees nothing. 214P > +13 Only guarantees in string follow up. Post Patch: 6PP, 3PPP & SSP > Is now +23 guaranteeing CB. BT 7P > Is now +18(?) Guarantees a launcher. 214P > Is now +(18) Guarantees a...