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Give back her old safe moves :P::P::P:/:9::P::P:/:4::P::P::P:/BKO:P::P::P:/BKO:6::P::P::P:, give her a couple of in string guard crushes, (BT:P::P::K:) is worthless, 3 high's from BT? :6::K::P: & BKO :4::P::K::P: would be good guard crushes, they are very slow and can be interrupted) also make...

Same top different bottom. I want the black dress.

The costume we are getting is the red and white suit, the blue and black dresses are completely different outfits. If you are aware of this please excuse my retarded message.

Great, thanks dude. So they noticed a couple of things about her that are weak and hopefully will address that, cool.

Anyone got a video or a transcript?

Really? I can't see it myself but like you say, I'll see soon enough.

I have played people in a lot of different countries and the connection has been great. I've played 1 bars connections constantly and it is smooth and enjoyable, playing internationally on DOA4 was crap most of the time but this game is a hell of a lot better. It's like I'm playing a different...

Ayane is kind off ass, she's pretty much the same but with a much lower damage output. All she got was a couple of new ways to go into her rolling stance. BKO transitions were buffed and we got two great side step moves. But to balance it out we lost all out safe moves and got a damage nerf...

Sometimes I feel like I'm playing a different character to everyone else lol Helena's move set seems to work unbelievably well for me. I'm so happy with how she turned out.

Nope it's 4 frames, go have a look at Tina's frame data.

I made the same mistake, someone corrected me on it a day or so ago.

Helena's 3in1 transitions into BKO are safe from grappler's too. I got the AI to do her 33P4P followed by 6P and as Tina I couldn't low grab her, I got hit out of my grab every time by her 6P. Tina can low catch grab her but Helena is able to stand up to avoid it.

Weirdly enough I don't have a problem using tons of mid punches. I always start the match off by punch BKO grabbing them and the when they start low countering BAM! mid punches lol

:3::3::P: > :P::P: > :P: > :2::2:/:8::8: :P: :7::P: :2::2:/:8::8::P: Grants just enough frame advantage to guarantee :7::P: for the CB. :3::P::6::P::P: > :7::P: The shortest CB combo I have found so far, the third :P: cause a sit down stun again guaranteeing :7::P: for the CB.

:K::K: > :8::P: > :8::K: > :4::P::K: > :P::P::K: 104 points of damage :3::3::P::4::P: > :6::K: > (BKO):4::P::K: > :9::K: 91 points of damage :3::P::P::P: > (BKO):4::P::K: > (BKO):4::P::K: > :9::K: 104 points of damage :2::2::P: > :7::K: > :4::P::P::P: 70 points of damage (BKO):2::K: > :6::P::P...

I will show you some stuff that'll help tomorrow. Her BKO duck feels like it has move recovery to it, I think most of us have felt it.

You are right about the throw punishment thing, I've updated my post. Thanks

Great, I feel like I have gotten used to the game sufficiently now so our next session will hopefully be more productive lol.

Helena: Breakdown Okay I said I would write down as much information about DOA5 Helena as I could, I'm true to my word so here goes. Will update after DOA5U is released in September. ~ ~ ~ Pros: :p+k: is still useful, goes under high's and some mid's but it doesn't crush instantly like it...

I've been playing against people with no bars and it has played great so far. I'm very happy with the netcoding.