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He does. I can give you a handful with some chips. I mean when yo think about if he wasn't so free to crushing he would be better. lol he ain't Bass' level bro. But hey i'm just going to let it fly. Me and others have found some crazy frame advantage with him.

The grion thing was very misleading man. Just sayin'. But yeah I can see what HajinShinboi is saying.

I'll accept the challenge of any decent Ryu player then. And word of advice don't use analogies like that. They are very misleading. Not everyone got parries and sabkis jeff.

1. Then why did you post them? 2. I found all of Zack's tracking moves in the first month of the game. 3. Zack has those too. I hate the ninjas, but I'm serious bro. That is a 5-5 man. Real talk. And Zack at a distance isn't bad. He has 6H+K, H+K, CH 4K, 7PP, 3kk(high crush),7K 9PP, and airwalk...

Does everyone still think he sucks?

I can see that. To add Zack vs. is 5-5 or 6-4 Zack. It might end up being 5-5 because of Ryu's damage. Zack is going to dust his slow tight suit ass and can shut down his ninja magic bs. Another key thing to note is Zack is going to be baiting out hi holds like a boss. On the flip side Ryu has...

Zack has double that amount.....

what's up man?

Then use him dude if he's so good. Jann lee is all hype. You can go on for days about this. But it seems hes the best on paper, but when we turn no our ps3s and 360s he's average at best. Btw, forgot Jann's ease of use. Not bad. So much knowledge I'm getting from your post. But Bass actually...

so even he doesn't know the release date. Edit; fixing the buffering system and buffering Zack will make me happy.

JR: Dude prove it. people think i'm you for some odd reason.

So he's DOA5's Metaknight? :D I think he's overrated. That damage gets thrown out when you need to fact things in like crushes, speed, mix up, and etc. and Jann's mix up game isn't something to write home about. And isn't he kind of linear too? uh....one guess and you get CB'd for half life...

that Gen fu wasn't that good. He didn't parry enough and seem to lack knowledge how to fight Jann Lee. Jann is all hype man. Btw..My Zack would make footprints vs. that Jann Lee player. That Jann Lee isn't even on Vanessa or Ryujin's level bro. Like I said Jann is all hype and is super...

last time I heard about him. A lot of people said he was high tier. lol Bass vs. Lei is that close? It makes me wonder if Bass is as bad as people say he is. But that makes a lot of sense though. Both characters also has tons of setups leading into free ground throws for them. But a the scary...

Umm....This is a bad matchup for Zack, but it's not 8-2 or 7-3. It's a 6-4 at best. Lei fang is not Gen fu with boobs. Gen fu has parries and crushes that make Zack his bitch. Lei's just got parries and any decent Zack can bait those out and make her pay for it. What would lei vs. Bass be in...

then he should be the best character in the game, right? Nah...there are characters better than him. btw..i'm not buying the Jann Lee hype. I have yet to see one Jann lee online or offline show he's SS. Well there was that one Japanese Jann but I need more than that.

Believe it? Dude it's Zack worst match ups? I can try and a body jann lee ,ayane, mila, and a VF character. But he is a nightmare.

lol it's a joke matt.

Now back to Zack....Who here agrees that Zack vs. Gen fu is 7-3?

So you want to see Bass in his C4 without the cape doing his thing?