Akira and Sarah's needed improvements.

DR2K

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Whenever they fight Helena all their frame data goes in reverse. If it's +1 on block it'll be -1 on block instead.
 

DontForkWitMe

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this helena outrage is hilarious though.

ein/leon confirmed cut: me, cow, and a couple of others express our disappointment a couple of times but in the end move on to our secondaries

lisa confirmed low tier: a handful of lisa players express their disapointment

brad not looking too good: everyone laughs at him and deems him crap tier by default

helena confirmed low tier: SOUND THE MUTHA FUCKING ALARMS! OMGWTF HOW COULD THEY! SHE LOST A JUGGLE ENDER!SHE MIGHT AS WELL NOT EVEN BE IN THE GAME NEMOAR! FLOOD TN WITH TWEETS AND EMAILS WITH BUFFS N0W! JNKFDJFKLASJKLFDSAJKLFSDAJKLFDAJL!!!111
 

Einzelkind

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ein/leon confirmed cut: me, cow, and a couple of others express our disappointment a couple of times but in the end move on to our secondaries

That's why both of you won't shut up about them and mention them in literally every post? You might es well put it in your sigs at this point. The difference is that Helena is actually confirmed to be in the game and it wouldn't need a lot of work to improve her move properties. Can't blame a character for having a loyal fanbase. And it's obviously not about losing her juggle ender, but about Team Ninja deliberately turning her into shit, because they think that's how you design an "extremely technical" character. Playing a character without any tools is just not a lot of fun, it's not necessarily about her needing to be top tier again. She just needs - like every character - tools to use the new system mechanics effectively. Giving her 3-in-1s is actually a great idea in my opinion. Just need to make them actually useful.
 

DR2K

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this helena outrage is hilarious though.

ein/leon confirmed cut: me, cow, and a couple of others express our disappointment a couple of times but in the end move on to our secondaries

lisa confirmed low tier: a handful of lisa players express their disapointment

brad not looking too good: everyone laughs at him and deems him crap tier by default

helena confirmed low tier: SOUND THE MUTHA FUCKING ALARMS! OMGWTF HOW COULD THEY! SHE LOST A JUGGLE ENDER!SHE MIGHT AS WELL NOT EVEN BE IN THE GAME NEMOAR! FLOOD TN WITH TWEETS AND EMAILS WITH BUFFS N0W! JNKFDJFKLASJKLFDSAJKLFSDAJKLFDAJL!!!111

Helena is not only confirmed bottom tier, but she's also the only character who has less options than her DOA4 counterpart(on paper at least) which is the total opposite of how every other character in the game got designed. Lets say the rest of the roster were designed like Helena is, I can assure you this game would be dumped faster than DOA4 was.

She's lost her evasiveness(lost her P+K low crush, slowed down bokuho duck), her damage output(her main juggle ender was removed for being simple), has no guaranteed follow ups form her BT throws(which most characters do), can not limbo stun(something she did best in DOA2), weak CB and sit down stun, is unsafe, at BEST 0 frame into bokuho transitions. Already recieved a major nerf due to system changes(no more force teching). They didn't remove two moves, they removed an entire character.

No one knows what Brad Wong is looking like, no one has said anything or shown much of him. We do know he can CB in 3 hits, which is better than any other character shown so far.
 

DontForkWitMe

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Helena is not only confirmed bottom tier, but she's also the only character who has less options than her DOA4 counterpart(on paper at least) which is the total opposite of how every other character in the game got designed. Lets say the rest of the roster were designed like Helena is, I can assure you this game would be dumped faster than DOA4 was.

She's lost her evasiveness(lost her P+K low crush, slowed down bokuho duck), her damage output(her main juggle ender was removed for being simple), has no guaranteed follow ups form her BT throws(which most characters do), can not limbo stun(something she did best in DOA2), weak CB and sit down stun, is unsafe, at BEST 0 frame into bokuho transitions. Already recieved a major nerf due to system changes(no more force teching). They didn't remove two moves, they removed an entire character.

No one knows what Brad Wong is looking like, no one has said anything or shown much of him. We do know he can CB in 3 hits, which is better than any other character shown so far.

no need too explain, im just screwin with u all. i don't use or ever cared for her and even i know its fucked up what they did. removing her untechable ground game bs and adding true sidestepping to deal with her mixups was enough of nerf for me but it seems they went the extra mile to make her complete shit. but of course you know despite all that it will take an "advanced player" to bring out her true potential and all that.....will u be that player? ;)
 

Omegan Eckhart

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Take an "advanced player" to bring out her true potential and all that.....will u be that player? = being good enough to win with any character regardless of how shit they are.
 

PhoenixVFIRE

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this helena outrage is hilarious though.

ein/leon confirmed cut: me, cow, and a couple of others express our disappointment a couple of times but in the end move on to our secondaries

lisa confirmed low tier: a handful of lisa players express their disapointment

brad not looking too good: everyone laughs at him and deems him crap tier by default

helena confirmed low tier: SOUND THE MUTHA FUCKING ALARMS! OMGWTF HOW COULD THEY! SHE LOST A JUGGLE ENDER!SHE MIGHT AS WELL NOT EVEN BE IN THE GAME NEMOAR! FLOOD TN WITH TWEETS AND EMAILS WITH BUFFS N0W! JNKFDJFKLASJKLFDSAJKLFSDAJKLFDAJL!!!111
Yes, when I read that on Facebook, i was so pleased to finally have an answer.
Thanks DR2K for telling them directly on FB.
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... GOT IT... THANKS.
Belated 13th Day of DoA 5
IPL Helena BROKEDOWN
Evading 9 frame highs using her Broke-A-Ho stance.
(Bitching is fun)
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DR2K said:
This is a game where characters can keep you at disadvantage, so good luck on the turtling. What you mentioned was what she had to do in DOA2 and DOA3, and they didn't work then.​
One of her costumes should be a shirt that says, " I made it in to DOA5, but all I got was this stupid shirt"
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chocogerman777 said:
Anyone notice the symbolism here? Helena and Lisa (the low tier characters) fighting in an elevator that is plunging to its death.​
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KwonJigglypuff said:
Helena is going to be the least popular character in DOA5 Online.. and then they're going to cut her like they did with Tengu and Leon. :eek:
Hayashi about DOA6 : "why do you want Helena.. ? No one even care or play with her anyway.."
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I'm sorry guys, I completely agree that Helena needs to be fixed, but all these puns and statements are making me die of laughter LOL
 

Zeo

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Well, I'll be repping Akira, and I'm sure I'll get loads of hate-mail for doing so, lol.
Worst part about that? Akira players in VF are generally the most well respected because even in that game he's still considered amazingly difficult to use. I'd like to think DOA players will be able to realize that and be able to see past "HE'S TOO OP DURR".
 
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