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DOA5LR Akira for a beginner

Sly Bass

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EyeLovePumpkins said:
I understand the basics of frame data like for example, :6::P+K: is 13 frames of startup, and on block it gives you +16 advantage. So that means :6::6::P: will guarantee since it's 12 frames, while :236::P: won't because it's 17frames of startup. :4::P+K: should also work too since it's exactly16frames. But the mains issue is that sometimes I don't understand what the poster means with certain number values.

I should also upload some of my videos using Akira for some critique as well.
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check my post on the front page. it covers all that stuff. I'll explain more later as to why 4P+K doesn't connect when you're +16.
 
EyeLovePumpkins

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Sly Bass said:
check my post on the front page. it covers all that stuff. I'll explain more later as to why 4P+K doesn't connect when you're +16.
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Already went through it multiple times and I'm still trying to figure out what the values mean, nevermind how they work.These examples where taken directly from your post:

:3::H+K: - 15/3/26 +14/-6
Okay, so 15 is the start up and -6 is on block. But what does the two middle values mean (3/26 +14/)?


:6::P+K: – 13/2/13 +9
13 is the startup, but where's the block value, and how come this only has 3 different values while the example above has four? Again, I still don't understand what the last to values indicate.
 
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EyeLovePumpkins

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Sly Bass said:
check my post on the front page. it covers all that stuff. I'll explain more later as to why 4P+K doesn't connect when you're +16.
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Just found this by sheer flukes http://www.freestepdodge.com/threads/frame-data-explained.5412/ which answers some of my questions. When you said front page, I thought you were referring to the main page of the Akira character section and not the site itself. I have the URL shortcut which automatically takes me to the character section of DOA5 and goes past the front page for convenience purposes. Thanks for the detailed guild, now I can probably understand the other frame date guild you have.
 
Sly Bass

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EyeLovePumpkins said:
Already went through it multiple times and I'm still trying to figure out what the values mean, nevermind how they work.These examples where taken directly from your post:

:3::H+K: - 15/3/26 +14/-6
Okay, so 15 is the start up and -6 is on block. But what does the two middle values mean (3/26 +14/)?


:6::P+K: – 13/2/13 +9
13 is the startup, but where's the block value, and how come this only has 3 different values while the example above has four? Again, I still don't understand what the last to values indicate.
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On the initiating moves, I put your advantage on hit first and advantage on block last. So for this: :3::H+K: - 15/3/26 +14/-6. If you hit, you're +14 on the fastest stagger. If they block, you're at -6.
 
EyeLovePumpkins

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Sly Bass said:
On the initiating moves, I put your advantage on hit first and advantage on block last. So for this: :3::H+K: - 15/3/26 +14/-6. If you hit, you're +14 on the fastest stagger. If they block, you're at -6.
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I see now. According to your guild on the main page, the /3/ means the active frames. Are they at the end of the 15 frame startup or after the 15 frames? So going by what you wrote, :6::6::6::P:– 14/2/23 at 14 frames startup I should be able to land a guarantee launch for a guarantee juggle after :6::P+K: guard break which grants be +16 of advantage. But no matter what, I can't get it to connect, am I doing this wrong? Also for the sake of confusion, lets say I buffered in :6::6:on guard to do Akira's :6::6::P:(12frames). Does the 12 frame startup also include Akira's dash animation just before he elbows, or just the elbow strike?
 
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EyeLovePumpkins said:
I see now. According to your guild on the main page, the /3/ means the active frames. Are they at the end of the 15 frame startup or after the 15 frames? So going by what you wrote, :6::6::6::P:– 14/2/23 at 14 frames startup I should be able to land a guarantee launch for a guarantee juggle after :6::P+K: guard break which grants be +16 of advantage. But no matter what, I can't get it to connect, am I doing this wrong? Also for the sake of confusion, lets say I buffered in :6::6:on guard to do Akira's :6::6::P:(12frames). Does the 12 frame startup also include Akira's dash animation just before he elbows, or just the elbow strike?
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:6::6::6::P: after :6::P+K: will connect; however, it will just knock them down. The launch property behind :6::6::6::P: is only activated when they are in the stun game.

Your 12 frames of start up only happen when you execute the move. If you're dashing in with :6::6:, then that animation needs to finish first before :6::6::P: will begin.

Buffering in inputs while in recovery is to help you land the final input of the next move as close to the first eligible frame as possible.
 
EyeLovePumpkins

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I finally got around uploading a video for critique. Let me know what you all think. WARNING: Some of the stuff I did might make you cringe.

 
DestructionBomb

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Are you guys on pad by any chance? (I would definitely assume so because of the limitations with sticks for PS4 at the moment)
 
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Ahh.

Well this one was shared by the TN twitter page. (I am curious to know who was the individual that sent it since I wanted the exhibition to be sent instead of this one.)


The pad is alright but I am limited on certain functions. It's one of the controllers where I have to push a direction hard just to get a certain notion down.
 
EyeLovePumpkins

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TheRealCoxinator said:
3,6, and 7 inputs are my only problem.
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The 3 sounds like its going to be a problem for me because I normally hold 3 just before doing Akira's combo Ender.

DestructionBomb said:
Ahh.

Well this one was shared by the TN twitter page. (I am curious to know who was the individual that sent it since I wanted the exhibition to be sent instead of this one.)
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It was me :). Nahh just kidding, I just started with Akira, I wish.
 
EyeLovePumpkins

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What are Akira's high crushers? I came across opponents who always high strikes at the start of the fight, I've tried :1::P: but I still end up getting hit. Now I know I can just high counter-hold, but I want to start my stun game.
 
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EyeLovePumpkins said:
What are Akira's high crushers? I came across opponents who always high strikes at the start of the fight, I've tried :1::P: but I still end up getting hit. Now I know I can just high counter-hold, but I want to start my stun game.
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:2::P:
:3::P+K:
:3::3::P+K:
:2::K:

On timed:
:3_::5::6::P::P:
:4::6::6::P+K:
:2_::4_::6_::P:

Perhaps 1 or more, cannot remember off the top of my head since I am not at home at the moment.
 
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