No.
D.I.D. 8: Aftermath
- Thread starter Scornwell
- Start date
- Status
No.
Chaos
Well-Known Member
Why would they remove unholdable stuns?
Omegan Eckhart
Well-Known Member
I just watched a match between Mamba and Master on TN facebook page. Who was the commentator who was constantly moaning about Helena, saying Busa was low tier and also commented on stuff being "broken"? I'm just curious cause it was annoying as hell.
When you hold... Your guessing if the opponent is gonna hit you with that type of move. There is no " reading " when you counter with holds. This game is nothing like chess.
Thank you for posting this. This is what people aren't getting about the pseudo force tech setups, I think; it doesn't matter if you whiff the attack that gives you a force tech, you still end up with advantage if they tech. I for one think it's a fuck awesome thing since otherwise pressure in this game after knockdown is pretty nonexistent. Grapplers need that shit and unfortunately they lose it after most of their throws. If Helena doesn't then good for Helena I guess.
Also, I wonder if people understand that there are a lot of characters that can do this and they can typically reset the situation from their options there too. If you want to just play force tech lockdown games both Bayman and Tina can mix up mid punch and mid kick options that will reset the situation from most of their force techs (p+k and 4k for Bayman, 6f+k and 236p for Tina). It's harder for them to reset to force tech from a throw but I think it might be possible (44f+p, 6p, 6f+k or 236p for Tina should do it, possibly 44f+p, 6p, p+k for Bayman, but I don't know backturned advantage from those off the top of my head). I don't think they can do this from a low though. Helena may be very, very good at this game but she's not the only one who can play it. Given her other weaknesses I don't think it's going to make her overpowered in the long run, and I would still say she needs some buffs. Unsafe entry to BKO is pretty stupid all around.
Also, Helena players: launch to 236pk 1k BKO 6p. You're welcome.
Scornwell
Active Member
Rikuto. If you saw the match between him and EMann earlier in the tournament, I think you'll understand his resentment.
DR2K
Well-Known Member
She lands a hit on you and you'll be surprised to see how much more red than blue there is. People are sleeping on this character in a big way.
HiguraShiki
Active Member
I know what you mean lol. Essentially Alpha can do away 70% of a players health bar with a launcher and KKKKKKK.
SilverKhaos
Active Member
Well by that logic, you are just "guessing" your attack will land every time you throw out a punch.
And yes. Countering is ENTIRELY about reading. When I see my opponent favors a certain tactic or move, I read that, anticipate it, and counter it. Or if I'm really in the groove, I guide them into using it specifically for me to counter it. Hell, that's one of my favored tactics. Leave an obvious opening for their favored attack, then counter when they try to go for that opening. (Granted, sometimes I slip up and that backfires big time because I missed the counter, but still lol)
It is very much like chess. THere's strategies, counter strategies, and being able to plan ahead gives you a huge advantage. Like chess, there's nothing "random" about it.
Like I said, its only random if you just mash counters without even trying to match the counter to the opponents attack. THATS just guessing. But for those who actually use and even more so for those who specialize in counters (Like me), its ALL about reading and guiding the opponents actions. The only time I ever "guess" is if I'm facing a move that i'm not entirely sure is mid, or high. But once I pin that down, I'm never guessing at it again, because I know exactly what to do about it.
Blah. Sorry if I rambled, literally just woke up.
Rikuto. While I'm not convinced Helena's "broken," Ryu's definitely low tier, which makes Master's performance very impressive.
DR2K
Well-Known Member
All you Ryu players just need to learn how to play the game. Master constanly performs at the top, who cares about those stupid frame numbers? There's no way Hayabusa can be low tier.
In all seriousness, he isn't low tier.
It's really hard for me to tell when you're joking.
I'm not saying he's broken or anything like that. But, it does take a very skilled player and an abnormally high amount of effort to win with him. Typically, those are attributes associated with low tier characters.
Doa_Eater
Well-Known Member
My my, a different tune for a different character. Just change Ryu for Helena and Master for Mamba. This is the lowest Ryu has ever been.
DR2K
Well-Known Member
Highly skilled to win doesn't always = low tier. Viper is the most technical character in SFIV, and one of the best.
Omegan Eckhart
Well-Known Member
Wouldn't hurt for him to focus on the match itself, listening to someone moaning in a passive aggressive manner gets old pretty fast. Plus throwing around the term "broken" when we are trying to build a competitive scene really doesn't help.
I did watch the match and he got out played. He countered wrong 99% of the time and lost because of it. Shit happens, it's not like he got stuck in stupid vortex like SSFIV:AE Akuma or something. You'd think a professional player would suck it up a little more.
DR2K
Well-Known Member
Emann was psychic holding a lot of Rikuto's offense. It's as if he channeled into the legendary AI.
Either that or it was just a panic fallback on 3p all the time, which is kind of what it looked like to me when I saw the matches. Seriously, it doesn't matter who you play against, if you get countered 4 times a match it's probably going to be a loss for you. Does not make Helena godlike.
Although, dumb question: I saw a lot of what I think was 6f+p throws (the slap you to the ground throw); do you get something if they don't tech? I saw that teched all the time and I thought maybe I'd see a wakeup kick after once.
Although, dumb question: I saw a lot of what I think was 6f+p throws (the slap you to the ground throw); do you get something if they don't tech? I saw that teched all the time and I thought maybe I'd see a wakeup kick after once.
- Status