Tenryuga
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Ayane is not faster than Kasumi. Kasumi has a faster jab and mid punch and ties with ayane for low punch.
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Ayane is not faster than Kasumi. Kasumi has a faster jab and mid punch and ties with ayane for low punch.
Argentus
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I'm not sure how that means she's faster than Ayane. Ayane's spinning seems to make her hit a lot more a lot faster than Kasumi does, overall.
P1naatt1ke1tt0
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When we talk about speed, we usually have the startup frames of a string starting or single attack in mind. Frames = how long the move takes to execute in displayed frames. 60 frames per second, so 10 frames (typical jab speed) is 1/6 second.
What comes after in a string isn't as important, since if you got hit by the first move, you are usually stunned, and will get hit by the next move regardless of how fast it is. Same story if you blocked the first move, you can block/interrupt by crushing the next moves almost as easily even if they're a bit faster.
Raansu
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Kokoro doesn't need more tracking. If anything I'd like to see everyone else in the cast to lose a few tracking moves and nerf string abilities to auto align into a SS.
kazenouta
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the costume is soo cute. about the move i saw only 2 new kick...and the shoryuken moveXO I hope is not all. He need more moves and more mix up. however his new win pose is soo soo cuute. Eliot you're my favorite after all XD
DynamicMystery
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That's pretty neat new win pose for Eliot. I like the bit of arrogance that it shows as well.
Omegan Eckhart
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If there are nerf's there should only be a small list of moves that receive them.
Sarah > Make P+K negative on block, it's cool that it parries mid's and jumps over lows but if I bait it by waking up and blocking I shouldn't still be a disadvantage. It's still a godly tool without being +2 on block seeing as it eliminates all wake up kicks.
Gen Fu > Maybe make his F+K counterable?
Lei Fang > Fix the hit box on her 1P+K so she can't DP out of shit constantly.
Helena > If blender stays increase whiff recovery of 6P by 2 frames reducing frame advantage from +4 to +2. BT 4PK should be -9 not -6. It's a godly launcher so it should be slightly easier to punish.
Jann Lee > Make 6P i12 instead of i11. He beats almost every character flat out when spacing so he shouldn't do the same up close.
Ayane > Remove the tracking from 4P, it's a panic move that trashes all high's and a lot of mid's whilst coming out in only i15. There are plenty of moves that spin that don't track, this should be one of them. Helena's P+K doesn't track even though she spins, and rightly so.
Lisa > BT ? The Butt Bump. This move should either be unsafe or counterable. She has the ability to get into BT at -3 which she can follow up with The Butt Bump and she is still at -3 even if that is blocked. It's an i12 high crush. At least make it -5 so characters with slower mid's can beat it out properly.
Nerf's should only be to moves that are stupid and are unreasonably difficult to get around. Keep legitimate tools remove brain dead BS.
Sarah > Make P+K negative on block, it's cool that it parries mid's and jumps over lows but if I bait it by waking up and blocking I shouldn't still be a disadvantage. It's still a godly tool without being +2 on block seeing as it eliminates all wake up kicks.
Gen Fu > Maybe make his F+K counterable?
Lei Fang > Fix the hit box on her 1P+K so she can't DP out of shit constantly.
Helena > If blender stays increase whiff recovery of 6P by 2 frames reducing frame advantage from +4 to +2. BT 4PK should be -9 not -6. It's a godly launcher so it should be slightly easier to punish.
Jann Lee > Make 6P i12 instead of i11. He beats almost every character flat out when spacing so he shouldn't do the same up close.
Ayane > Remove the tracking from 4P, it's a panic move that trashes all high's and a lot of mid's whilst coming out in only i15. There are plenty of moves that spin that don't track, this should be one of them. Helena's P+K doesn't track even though she spins, and rightly so.
Lisa > BT ? The Butt Bump. This move should either be unsafe or counterable. She has the ability to get into BT at -3 which she can follow up with The Butt Bump and she is still at -3 even if that is blocked. It's an i12 high crush. At least make it -5 so characters with slower mid's can beat it out properly.
Nerf's should only be to moves that are stupid and are unreasonably difficult to get around. Keep legitimate tools remove brain dead BS.
You people are fucking stupid. <3
It's been five whole weeks since I fucked my Christie doll stupid. Cut me some slack.
Anyway, all I want for Christie are my DOA4 strings and wall combos back, and 6h+k to actually be useful by having advantage on block, and a viable launcher on hit . There were other suggestions from other Christie players, but I forgot what they were off the top of my head. So I archived them., retweeted them to TN, and never looked back.
You didn't read my last post on the "Fail" part. I said "Grammar Fail". I'm not gonna repeat the rest of it. You can read it. And you must not get it, do you? Everybody in here read what I put. I said "Fuck character bashing". That means it doesn't matter who or which character. I meant every last one of them and it was directed at everybody in here. If it was directed particularly at "you", I would've either tagged you or quoted you because it's a public discussion. I shouldn't have to explain myself a bunch of times to people when I post something.
I'm out of this discussion now anyways. It's too much of "meet my demands" rather than what actually needs to be done or what could happen in the scene (even though I'm enjoying the new stuff added) & no need to derail the thread
So glad I don't have to see your shitty posts.
Is it true that Lisa's and Tina's
s are nerfed in some way?
Is it true that Lisa's and Tina's
s are nerfed in some way?
DR2K
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Lets take away that once decent move she has to start up offense.
Aven Kujo-Gin
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The buffs we need is more safe moves on block for all characters.
Omegan Eckhart
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I'm going to try and say this politely. You are saying the same things that all scrubs say about balance in every DOA game.
Ninja's = Kasumi, Hayate, Hayabusa and Ayane
Fastest Pokes = i9 jab / i11 mid. Average Pokes = i10 jab / i12 mid. Slowish Pokes = i11 jab / i13 mid.
Fastest Character's = Kasumi (i9 / i11), Christie (i9 / i11), Pai (i9 / i11) Gen Fu i10 / i11), Jann Lee (i10 / i11), Zack (i10 / i11), Sarah (i10 / i11).
Other Ninja's = Hayate (i10 / i12), Hayabusa (i10 / i13) and Ayane (i10 / i13).
Best Evasive Character's = Helena, Gen Fu, Brad Wong, Ayane and Tina.
I've been playing DOA for about 12 years ever since the Dreamcast version and I can tell you that everything you said is completely wrong. I'm telling you this from experience, take my advice and bare this in mind next time you decide to make statements like the one you just did.
Why would they nerf Tina's 1K? Unless there is some awesome use for it that I've never noticed.Is it true that Lisa's and Tina's
Wow. *facepalm*
Dude kasumi has faster attacks meaning she's faster.........
Omegan Eckhart
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I've just put up an explanation to help him figure it out. If that doesn't work then either he or I am missing some chromosomes.
I can't help but sympathise. I hated Ninja's when I first started playing, although it wasn't their speed that pissed me off.
I recall something like CH
giving something guaranteed ground throws. Maybe that's different is some way or it's slower.
Omegan Eckhart
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I recall something like CH
It's already pretty slow, outside of granting a free throw it doesn't serve much of a purpose. She has much better high crushes.
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