Do You think Pro Players ruin the fun for Casual Players?

[You Stoopid? - Ahmani]

I recently saw some gameplay from DOA5 and it seems that what the gaming community seems to think of a "Professional Player" as being able to do long combos (repeatedly) in every round to gain a win. Casual Players play for the fun of the game and when up against a pro player it can kind of take the fun out of the game. No one plays fighting games to lose obviously but also who wants to lose knowing they have no chance.

Being that DOA5 is a simple game it evens the skill level a bit. Pro Players consider the game to be not tournament worthy because of that. In my opinion if your a pro player you should be able to master a game without cheap tactics and advanced mechanics. When I discuss a game I talk about the (characters, special moves, story etc) but when things like (Frame data, time frames etc) it becomes less fun. Games are suppose to be fun and pro players make the game more of a job.

(I am not saying all pro players do this)
Do You agree or Disagree?

 

[Jefffcore]

I disagree. I enjoy the challenge; for me that's fun, and most other players will say the same.

There's another thread discussing guessing in FG's. Personally I enjoy the guessing aspect of fighting games (to an extent); making reads to win. If there wasn't any need to guess/read I'd get bored.

Cheap doesn't exist. There's situations you choose to do something about and situations you don't, or don't know how to do something about (usually the latter).

 

[You Stoopid? - Ahmani]

Fun vs Technical

 

[Raansu]

I recently saw some gameplay from DOA5 and it seems that what the gaming community seems to think of a "Professional Player" as being able to do long combos (repeatedly) in every round to gain a win.
No, this is not true. A high level player looks to take the least risks possible to control the flow of the match while getting the best possible reward out of it. If you are getting hit with long flashy combos then they are just toying with you.

Casual Players play for the fun of the game and when up against a pro player it can kind of take the fun out of the game. No one plays fighting games to lose obviously but also who wants to lose knowing they have no chance.
Both sides play for fun. If you are casual and are going up against a high level player without the intent of learning and wanting to improve then of course you are not going to have fun. High level players enjoy the challenge and losing to a better opponent just pushes them to learn even more. If you are not having fun then find people of your skill level who also play casually. No ones forcing you to play against players that take a game more seriously.

Being that DOA5 is a simple game it evens the skill level a bit.
The games not even out yet, so you really cant say that.

Pro Players consider the game to be not tournament worthy because of that.
I haven't player it yet so I can't comment on that. However DoA4 was definitely not worthy of tournament play.

In my opinion if your a pro player you should be able to master a game without cheap tactics and advanced mechanics.
There is no such thing as a cheap tactic in a fighting game and learning advanced mechanics is part of being a high level player. No one is forcing you to learn how to play. Go play with other casuals if you don't like playing against good players.

When I discuss a game I talk about the (characters, special moves, story etc) but when things like (Frame data, time frames etc) it becomes less fun.
And that's fine, but some players enjoy theory fighting and talking about tiers,frame data, what if situations. Just because that isn't fun for you doesn't mean it isn't fun for someone else.

Games are suppose to be fun and pro players make the game more of a job.
And whats wrong with that? Professional sports are essentially a job. Does that mean a professional athlete is no longer having fun? If a pro gamer can make a living out of it then more power to him. He's making money doing what he loves to do.

 

[Arnell Long]

My black ass from both Worlds so this Ninja here says Technical Fun all day errday! Option 2!

^ Laugh Out Loud ^

 

[Jefffcore]

Casual players don't have to fight Competitive players if they don't want to.

 

[You Stoopid? - Ahmani]

You talk as if all professional players think the same and I take it your a "Pro Player" because your last comment and your defending pro players besides no one said whether or not we were talking about tournament pros and online pros.
You can't compare a pro athlete to a amateur athlete obviously thats physical abilities
And regarding to go play with other casual players is almost impossible dealing with online gaming and for you to say that their is no such thing as cheap tactic shows your judgment of what a pro player is.

 

[Matt Ponton]

who wants to lose knowing they have no chance.

Why do you have no chance?

I merged your two threads because they were the same basic thread.

 

[You Stoopid? - Ahmani]

Why do you have no chance?

I merged your two threads because they were the same basic thread.

Well maybe saying I have no chance is the wrong way to word it but what you have to do to win becomes no fun

I enjoy a challenge also but some players are to far out of a casual players lead. (for example in street fighter where 90% of pros pick ryu/akuma and you have to constantly dodge and get past shoryukens and fireballs become less fun and more annoying) and as i said before I'm not saying all pro players play the same.

 

[Matt Ponton]

what you have to do to win becomes no fun

What do you have to do to win?

for example in street fighter where 90% of pros pick ryu/akuma and you have to constantly dodge and get past shoryukens and fireballs become less fun and more annoying) and as i said before I'm not saying all pro players play the same.

90%? I believe East Coast throwdown had C. Viper, Cammy, and Guile in the finals. So where's the Ryu and Akuma? Does the fact it's not Ryu and Akuma make it any different for the level of fun you're not having, or is it that the opponent is placing obstacles on the field that you don't like getting around?

 

[Jefffcore]

I'm gonna say that all professional players do think the same, or they wouldn't learn how to play the game the way they do. It doesn't matter who we're talking about. If someone takes the time to get that good at a game, they must enjoy it. If they don't they should be in a psych ward under suicide watch....

Cheap implies cheating; cheating would imply doing something unfair. There's nothing unfair in DOA, you can stop everything if you take the time to do it.

I enjoy a challenge also but some players are to far out of a casual players lead. (for example in street fighter where 90% of pros pick ryu/akuma and you have to constantly dodge and get past shoryukens and fireballs become less fun and more annoying) and as i said before I'm not saying all pro players play the same.

That's how the game was made to play though. You can choose to just not play those people, or get better. If you just don't enjoy the game then try something else. (there's nothing wrong with that)

 

[CyberEvil]

I'm not even sure you're at the 'casual' level, TC. Seriously warped way of looking at competition you have there. I refuse to participate in such a poorly worded poll. Proofread, please.

LOL at your status message, TC. "Yes I Fight.....And You better not fuckin challenge me!!!" I-R-O-N-Y.

 

[Deleted member 473]

I'm gonna say that all professional players do think the same, or they wouldn't learn how to play the game the way they do. It doesn't matter who we're talking about. If someone takes the time to get that good at a game, they must enjoy it. If they don't they should be in a psych ward under suicide watch....

Cheap implies cheating; cheating would imply doing something unfair. There's nothing unfair in DOA, you can stop everything if you take the time to do it.

He never said DOA....

 

[Gill Hustle]

Well maybe saying I have no chance is the wrong way to word it but what you have to do to win becomes no fun


I enjoy a challenge also but some players are to far out of a casual players lead. (for example in street fighter where 90% of pros pick ryu/akuma and you have to constantly dodge and get past shoryukens and fireballs become less fun and more annoying) and as i said before I'm not saying all pro players play the same.

I don't really play SF4 anymore, but if your running into a lot of them the best thing to do is learn their tactics and come up with ways for dealing with them.

When I did play SF most of those types of players were cookie cutter, so playing them was just combo/shenanigan practice. Of course there were the good players but that made things interesting.

Someone who can beat you regularly should be all the motivation one needs to try and get better.

 

[Raansu]

You talk as if all professional players think the same and I take it your a "Pro Player" because your last comment and your defending pro players besides no one said whether or not we were talking about tournament pros and online pros.

I'm not a "pro player." I'm nowhere near as good as the top level players that have played this game. But coming from someone who enjoys playing the game more seriously I'm simply pointing out that your statements are incorrect.

You can't compare a pro athlete to a amateur athlete obviously thats physical abilities
I wasn't making any kind of comparison like that.

And regarding to go play with other casual players is almost impossible dealing with online gaming
Online world is a big place. It's not hard to find people who feel the same way as you do. If you don't want to play with good players then don't play with them.

and for you to say that their is no such thing as cheap tactic shows your judgment of what a pro player is.
Because in fighting games there is no such thing as cheap. The word cheap comes into play when someone doesn't understand how to play the game.

Geez I'm having flashbacks of xbox.com. I highly suggest doaworld.com for you my friend. That's more or less a casual doa website. You are more then welcome to continue posting here and everyone is willing to help you out if you have questions, but for the most part this site is much more serious about competitive gaming.

Well maybe saying I have no chance is the wrong way to word it but what you have to do to win becomes no fun


I enjoy a challenge also but some players are to far out of a casual players lead. (for example in street fighter where 90% of pros pick ryu/akuma and you have to constantly dodge and get past shoryukens and fireballs become less fun and more annoying) and as i said before I'm not saying all pro players play the same.

That's part of the game. If you enjoy a challenge then you should enjoy the challenge of learning how to avoid said tactics and beat the player doing that. To me it seems that you just want to push buttons and get results.

 

[Jefffcore]

He never said DOA....

It's a DOA forum.

 

[Matt Ponton]

He never said DOA....

He put it in the DOA5 General Discussion board.

Had he meant it as a general question over all genres of games then he should have created this in the General Discussions board.

 

[Keylay]

I think casual gamers find some things cheap but that's because they don't know ways around it. I wouldn't really enjoy a game if I don't understand how to play it but casual gamers just play for fun so I don't think they care. I generally play easy on people (let them get a few hits) so they will get some amusement and hopefully start learning to play the game.

 

[You Stoopid? - Ahmani]

I'm gonna say that all professional players do think the same, or they wouldn't learn how to play the game the way they do. It doesn't matter who we're talking about. If someone takes the time to get that good at a game, they must enjoy it. If they don't they should be in a psych ward under suicide watch....

Cheap implies cheating; cheating would imply doing something unfair. There's nothing unfair in DOA, you can stop everything if you take the time to do it.

So you are assuming im talking about DOA....I said that in DOA5 its simple and evens the skill level so I don't understand your point ......and my definition of cheap and cheat is different maybe you should look it up

I'm not even sure you're at the 'casual' level, TC. Seriously warped way of looking at competition you have there. I refuse to participate in such a poorly worded poll. Proofread, please.

LOL at your status message, TC. "Yes I Fight.....And You better not fuckin challenge me!!!" I-R-O-N-Y.

-____- but you commented

He put it in the DOA5 General Discussion board.

Had he meant it as a general question over all genres of games then he should have created this in the General Discussions board.

But I also said that DOA is a simple game and evens the skill level a bit so why would i be talkin anout DOA5

 

[EMPEROR_COW]

I enjoy a challenge also but some players are to far out of a casual players lead. (for example in street fighter where 90% of pros pick ryu/akuma and you have to constantly dodge and get past shoryukens and fireballs become less fun and more annoying) and as i said before I'm not saying all pro players play the same.

1) That statement proves that you have no clue about the top SF community. In fact 90% of scrubs pick Ryu/Akuma and only a handfull of pros acctually know how to use them and pose an acctual challenge. RYU/AKUMA has not won a major in a long time (excluding Daigo's amazing performance in singapore last week)

2) If you're saying what a pro needs to do to win is not fun, then you just dont get it. They wouldn't do it if its not fun.

The difference is always that a Pro knows what he's doing as opposed to just pressing buttons and looking at the pretty colors of the screen. That's why its also fun to see a match when two pros play because you get a grasp of the mind game involved.

Also, With the vast internet explosion of tutorials and match vids, I honestly believe that the gap between casuals and pros is becoming less and less, especially since casuals now have something to fight for in ranked modes and what-not, even though they dont attend tournaments. (forget about the boosters .. those dont count)

There will always be a gap in skill between someone who eats, breaths and shits a game as opposed to someone who just read a FAQ 5 minutes ago and think hes all that.

But it doesnt mean everyone can't have fun.

This is why playing online is so great and a huge leap from what we had in the past (although it does have is huge negative side as well). You find people at your skill level or your interest level, and you can choose to play just them. You wanna mash ? find some mashers and mash away... You wanna play serious? theres that too ...

I dont see how this is a problem, especially in this day and age.