DOA: Flaws and Tournament Viability

[Awesmic]

Judging by these posts, I can't help but think I'm being somewhat of a bad influence to Blaze. I better follow up on what I was trying to say earlier.

Blaze, if what I said caused you to think I implied tiers don't mean jack-shit, that's not the case. All I was saying was that if you enjoy using a character so much that you can use their tools or lack thereof to the best of their abilities, then go for it. It adds to diversity for the tourney scene, if anything.

Just be wary that some characters have easier tools to work with than others to win certain matchups on paper. Know your uphill battles, study them, apply your tech, and the rest is history.

 

[UnD34D]

I mean I understand that, but dont put it as if one character is weak compared to another.

some characters are weak compared to others! In AE the Seth / Cody match up is 6 / 4 because Seth has the tools to keep Cody out and then even when Cody can get in, Seth has tools to body him some more. This doesn't mean I can't beat Seth with Cody, it just means its hard as fuck. Seth is higher tier than Cody because Seth has a LOT more tools and can body most of the cast.

 

[Jefffcore]

Brad Wong is weak compared to Hayabusa, he really shouldn't win.

 

[UnD34D]

Brad Wong is weak compared to Hayabusa, he really shouldn't win.

In DOA4 Brad Wongs only low punisher, a low grab, left him low punishable, so in reality, other than a counter, Brad couldn't do shit about lows, whereas Hayabusa has the most damaging counters in the game, an inescapable chain throw, quick attacks, special lows...

 

[Jefffcore]

I think Hayabusa's 7k beats all Brad Wong does outside his jab, and it hits him on the ground, too.

 

[Raansu]

I mean I understand that, but dont put it as if one character is weak compared to another.

Like it or not some characters are weaker than others. That is the very nature of fighting games. If all characters were equal and there was no diversity the game would be very boring.

 

[Deleted member 473]

Like it or not some characters are weaker than others. That is the very nature of fighting games. If all characters were equal and there was no diversity the game would be very boring.

Yall saying Zack is the weakest of all, like damn does he not stand a chance?

 

[UnD34D]

DoA is a balanced enough game that Zack does stand a chance, he's low tier, but so is Bayman, and Rikuto does a nice job of putting players like Master for example, in their place. Highguy is probably the best Zack player around and he definitely didn't make Zack seem low tier, but the facts are just there (although I thought Zack was mid)

edit: Also Zack wasn't bottom tier, I'm pretty sure that was Brad and... Lisa?

 

[Jefffcore]

I think he means DOA5, but the game isn't out yet so no one knows if he's the worst.

Zack was great in 4; he was like high mid.

 

[UnD34D]

WELL NOW WE'RE TALKING ABOUT 4! WE'LL DO IT LIVE! FUCK IT!

 

[Raansu]

I think he means DOA5, but the game isn't out yet so no one knows if he's the worst.

Zack was great in 4; he was like high mid.

Nah he was in the lower tiers. Around low-mid. The reason why is because while he was fairly quick he relied too much on parlor tricks that were easily interrupted. Most all of his sways could easily be stopped by a quick mid strike especially since if he swayed on block he was at negative frames. This is why you would rarely see HighGuy use sways unless he already had you stunned. He really just played the poke game until he got inside.

 

[Jefffcore]

I dunno about that. I think you mean the duck, but I don't know why anyone would use it. He has other really good tools.

 

[Deleted member 473]

I dunno about that. I think you mean the duck, but I don't know why anyone would use it. He has other really good tools.

Zack also has an infinite duck and sway. He can be like a steve fox at times.

 

[Raansu]

Zack also has an infinite duck and sway. He can be like a steve fox at times.

Which leads to him being instantly being put into a stun.

 

[grap3fruitman]

I know they do, but those same guys that make it take the shit so serious it pisses me and other players off.

Bad news buddy, this forum is for those kinds of players by those kinds of players...

 

[Rikuto]

You guys need to drop this shit, seriously.

Attacking the fundamental basics of a competitive fighting game isn't going to help you win that imaginary boxing match some of you appear to be having with your non-existent elitist overlords.

Tiers lists exist for a reason, and they are constructed based on facts. This is not up for discussion, as you'll end up fighting with every single fighting game community in existence over it and you will lose.

 

[MasterHavik]

Bad news buddy, this forum is for those kinds of players by those kinds of players...

For the people and....uh for the people. It's cool but the attitude needs to be under discussion. You can bash a character for sucking the right way. So no bad news.

Rikuto: Lol...he knows how to say everything right. He's right though.

 

[Matt Ponton]

Tier lists are merely a tool to gauge the options one character has over another within the same universal system.

Outside of that, it doesn't say one character will always lose to another, and it doesn't say it's "wrong" to pick a character that has bad options and tools. It merely says which characters take advantage of the system more than others.

I'm just going to be locking this thread as its original purpose seems to have died out anyways.

You guys seriously do need to tone it down a couple notches.