Community Does the DOA community agree on anything?

[Aven Kujo-Gin]

No i'm talking about how, for example, I (used to) routinely be told that nothing I say matters because I haven't been to an offline tourney. As if years of playing DOA doesn't count for squat.

I've learned to avoid that talk for now, but its still something I see from time to time, and it gets under my skin. But more to the point, I'm just saying that's an example of people looking down on "casual" players, which is a bad thing.

 

[Brute]

Well he does have a ludicrous amount of move types..... he literally has alil bit of everything.

That implies he would have useful frame advantage, OHs and low pokes.

 

[Lulu]

That implies he would have useful frame advantage, OHs and low pokes.

LoL.... I wasn't factoring in usefulness. That one would be harder to figure out.....

Oh no wait.... Hayabusa doesn't have a Sabaki right ?

 

[Fiend Busa]

Ryu has what everyone else lacks. A harem

 

[Brute]

LoL.... I wasn't factoring in usefulness. That one would be harder to figure out.....

Oh no wait.... Hayabusa doesn't have a Sabaki right ?

Not really. Unless you count whatever is going on with the ongyoin parry.

 

[Lulu]

Not really. Unless you count whatever is going on with the ongyoin parry.

Do those moves from that stance have unnaturally high priority ?
This one time I had Leon's 33P go right underbeath my wake up kick.... I thought that was weird.

 

[Brute]

Do those moves from that stance have unnaturally high priority ?

No, but this isn't really the topic for it.

 

[Lulu]

My bad.....
I'm not even entirely sure what topic this thread is about.....

 

[Jamaican Legend]

The DOA community confuses me sometimes. I'm a part of the Smash community and what I see there is completely different from what I see here. Don't get me wrong, some people know what they are talking about most of the time, and they already know who they are, but generally people do not know what the fuck they are talking about, and they know it so that's why conversation can lack anywhere.

I think where things get hilarious is in the competitive Facebook group. I suppose it's easy for a top player to make remarks that either throw the community off or don't make sense. Like the great Lopedo saying that Phase 4 sucks a day after she comes out. Now, I never thought this; but the community sure did grow a few ideas as to why she sucked, and the easiest rip being "she's soo unsafe."

Kwiggle, who I believe is the most legitimate player in the game today floors all of those thoughts a year later. Like Bladez shutting down people that said Eliot sucks. Some people still think he sucks despite the skill he has displayed with the character.

On the Smash Boards people all generally agreed that Diddy Kong was OP, and he was. Here we could talk about how OP Christie is and there will be some that say she's completely legit despite winning most of the matchups against most of the characters.

Do we agree on anything here? Do Tier lists matter for DOA? Do mind games matter more? Is Christie OP? Should Alpha be banned?

I thought that Team Best was a good idea because you could advice from people that actually sit down and use there characters. A lot of what I hear is from people that think things but don't know, or people that talk down on a new character as soon as they come out and before you know it every new character we ever get is low tier...

I'm in some pretty competitive Facebook groups, my favorite one personally is Dead or alive 5 Last Round X, really gud group, they try not to be boring mostly lol. But I know wat u mean.. Its just ppl here and there

 

[Project Bokuho]

Does everyone and their mom have to make a DOA group on Facebook?

 

[Awesmic]

Does everyone and their mom have to make a DOA group on Facebook?

It can't be helped.

When people are assholes to each other in one group, there is bound to be division eventually. That's why some have either migrated to or created another group, or abandoned them entirely to continue hanging with their own circle of friends because it's easier for their sanity.

 

[Raansu]

I think where things get hilarious is in the competitive Facebook group. I suppose it's easy for a top player to make remarks that either throw the community off or don't make sense. Like the great Lopedo saying that Phase 4 sucks a day after she comes out. Now, I never thought this; but the community sure did grow a few ideas as to why she sucked, and the easiest rip being "she's soo unsafe."

Kwiggle, who I believe is the most legitimate player in the game today floors all of those thoughts a year later. Like Bladez shutting down people that said Eliot sucks. Some people still think he sucks despite the skill he has displayed with the character.

In a game where most of the time you spend free canceling and playing mind games, being "unsafe" isn't really a legitimate argument given that the majority of attacks in this game are unsafe.

With that said, I don't really follow tiers much anymore and can't comment on Phase 4, but regardless I will say that a high level player winning a tournament doesn't make the character they use suddenly good. It just means a good player won. I wouldn't say its common but high level players have won with low tier characters before, so I think this argument of "he won with this character so that character must actually be incredibly good" is kind of flawed and almost insulting to the player that won depending on how you look at things because some will say "oh he only won because of the character he used." Granted I'm not saying that's whats going on but it can be construed that way.

End of the day, fighting games are ever evolving, new tech is always coming out and tiers will always change, but that's just my rant on the subject.

 

[Argentus]

In a game where most of the time you spend free canceling and playing mind games, being "unsafe" isn't really a legitimate argument given that the majority of attacks in this game are unsafe.

With that said, I don't really follow tiers much anymore and can't comment on Phase 4, but regardless I will say that a high level player winning a tournament doesn't make the character they use suddenly good. It just means a good player won. I wouldn't say its common but high level players have won with low tier characters before, so I think this argument of "he won with this character so that character must actually be incredibly good" is kind of flawed and almost insulting to the player that won depending on how you look at things because some will say "oh he only won because of the character he used." Granted I'm not saying that's whats going on but it can be construed that way.

End of the day, fighting games are ever evolving, new tech is always coming out and tiers will always change, but that's just my rant on the subject.

eh, all that's kind of a common bad habit with DOA.
It's not one you can go at in a formulaic approach. Like you said, unsafe doesn't apply here as much as it would for other fighters, and in doa, a tournament win is less the character and more the player.

But people will still think numbers are all that matter in DOA, and when somebody wins a tourney, people will pick up the tourney winners character because they think that'll help em win.

Now that said, it's kinda columnA/ColumnB. Winning with P4 doesn't suddenly mean P4 is high tier, because it's mostly the player, but equally, its also showing that she's not trash or anything like people say.

yeah I don't really care for tiers either. I usually find out that my chosen mans are lower tier, but do well enough with them anyway.


I understand the matchup data, but the problem is, like I said, people think of Tier lists as some kind of hard logic "how to win" guidebook, not considering context. And in a context sensitive game like DOA, that'll knock em on their ass lol.

 

[Lulu]

eh, all that's kind of a common bad habit with DOA.
It's not one you can go at in a formulaic approach. Like you said, unsafe doesn't apply here as much as it would for other fighters, and in doa, a tournament win is less the character and more the player.

But people will still think numbers are all that matter in DOA, and when somebody wins a tourney, people will pick up the tourney winners character because they think that'll help em win.

Now that said, it's kinda columnA/ColumnB. Winning with P4 doesn't suddenly mean P4 is high tier, because it's mostly the player, but equally, its also showing that she's not trash or anything like people say.

yeah I don't really care for tiers either. I usually find out that my chosen mans are lower tier, but do well enough with them anyway.


I understand the matchup data, but the problem is, like I said, people think of Tier lists as some kind of hard logic "how to win" guidebook, not considering context. And in a context sensitive game like DOA, that'll knock em on their ass lol.

LoL.... I thought Matchups and Tier Lists were calculated using indisputable math...... and that was two months ago...... and with that said..... I didn't care anyway, I just don't like Christie and Helena. I would rather lose with a character i like then lose with a character I don't like but thought would help me win...... actually I'd rather win but come on..... that goes without saying.

 

[Argentus]

LoL.... I thought Matchups and Tier Lists were calculated using indisputable math...... and that was two months ago...... and with that said..... I didn't care anyway, I just don't like Christie and Helena. I would rather lose with a character i like then lose with a character I don't like but thought would help me win...... actually I'd rather win but come on..... that goes without saying.

about the same yeah. I stick to my guns with the characters I like lol. I bought BBCP just for Bullet, even though she was apparently trash tier. I stuck with Sheeva (Dominated with her online) even though I'm told she's worst in the game, gutter tier. etc, etc.

Plus, it also depends on playstyle. Most people I see who say Sheeva sucks are trying to rushdown with her when her strength is as a defensive character lol.

 

[Lulu]

about the same yeah. I stick to my guns with the characters I like lol. I bought BBCP just for Bullet, even though she was apparently trash tier. I stuck with Sheeva (Dominated with her online) even though I'm told she's worst in the game, gutter tier. etc, etc.

Plus, it also depends on playstyle. Most people I see who say Sheeva sucks are trying to rushdown with her when her strength is as a defensive character lol.

LoL... don't they know.... you can't use a hammer to screw in a nail.

But in all seriousness though I do that too sometimes, playing a character against their intended style is a difficult habbit to break.

 

[lotr9690]

Do Tier lists matter for DOA?

Edit: Copied more than one quote.

 

[MasterHavik]

You know ....I been wanting to write a Zack guide for awhile but afraid of backlash. I'm currently refocusing my mindset, but the lack knowledge of him is starting to grind my gears. It is sad that I have learned more about the game offline playing with Hoodless, Alex Cloud, and Dreams. Mark showed me shit that even top DOA players and others don't know Zack. Sigh....what is wrong with the community? I had an answer for this a few years ago but now I don't know what to tell you. I just wanna get offline and make something happen.

Sidenote: I find it funny that people like Hoodless and Alex Cloud are barely on any DOA social media sites but know the game better than most people in this community.

 

[Lulu]

You know ....I been wanting to write a Zack guide for awhile but afraid of backlash. I'm currently refocusing my mindset, but the lack knowledge of him is starting to grind my gears. It is sad that I have learned more about the game offline playing with Hoodless, Alex Cloud, and Dreams. Mark showed me shit that even top DOA players and other known Zack don't know about. Sigh....what is wrong with the community? I had an answer for this a few years ago but now I don't know what to tell you. I just wanna get offline and make something happen.

Sidenote:I find it funny that people like Hoodless and Alex Cloud are barely on anything DOA social media sites but know the game better than most people in this community.

You you can write a "Work in Progress" Guide and add to it as you learn from Zack.

It seems like Hoodless is a fast learner..... I need this site to learn stuff, its nice that people are eager to share what they know.

 

[MasterHavik]

You you can write a "Work in Progress" Guide and add to it as you learn from Zack.

It seems like Hoodless is a fast learner..... I need this site to learn stuff, its nice that people are eager to share what they know.

He knows every character like it's nothing. He fucking trained NinjaCW to play NyoTengu and you see how that turned out. Also yeah I know the thing I know a lot already. I just need to figure out how to organize and consult him and a few others I trust.