Helena's needed improvements
- Thread starter TRI Mike
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Shit, well that worries me quite a bit.
Isn't most of her attacks mid in DOA5?
DR2K
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Yep, she has some good tools that aren't mid punch. A good Helena will condition an opponent to use the other holds.
Well it's a good thing that i'm refreshing my knowledge about Helena right now, otherwise i would be killed in plenty of matches lol
Yeah. I kid about the mid punch because you can get a bunch of stuff off it, but it's not really that bad. Even so, it comes through a lot more than a conditioned opponent might actually get the read on, which is how you get away with it.
TRI Mike
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OK I made an entry in my blog about some changes I feel the game needs. Most of the points are about Helena but others are about Tina, Busa, parries, costumes, Leon and Ein. Feel free to check it out.
http://mikenieto.blogspot.com/2012/10/necessary-changes-in-dead-or-alive-5.html
http://mikenieto.blogspot.com/2012/10/necessary-changes-in-dead-or-alive-5.html
Doug Nguyen
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Great read. Everything i pretty much agree. And i cant believe i didnt know you can enter back stance from bokuho. And a side step while in bokuho sounds so useful, i never played DOA3 too.
But the thing is if she can sidestep in BKO, how will she duck attacks or get up?
Doug Nguyen
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Well i use 3/8 H+P+K for side stepping, so i could still use 33 for ducking.
KwonJigglypuff
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She definitely needs more flexibility with her BKO stance. Sidestep could help. Maybe the taunt button could be used for ducking, and 22/88 for SS.
At this point we could use 9(or X) to get up.
Technically speaking, she couldn't directly step out of BKO in 3.1. You had to press 
and THEN step. You're effectively canceling BKO and then instantly using the freestep, but it accomplishes the same thing. It would be nice in 5, but the freestep system isn't quite as good as it was in 3.1, so it may not be as useful. Now if she could sidestep out of BKO instead, that's a whole different story. And at the risk of sounding like a broken record, 88/22P was her best tool in 3.1. She needs it back. A sidestep move that evades all linear attacks and puts the opponent in limbo stun? Yes please.
I agree with what Mike said in his blog, especially with Tina. Mila and Bayman get advantage when you break their throws. There's no reason why Tina and Bass shouldn't get this as well.
and THEN step. You're effectively canceling BKO and then instantly using the freestep, but it accomplishes the same thing. It would be nice in 5, but the freestep system isn't quite as good as it was in 3.1, so it may not be as useful. Now if she could sidestep out of BKO instead, that's a whole different story. And at the risk of sounding like a broken record, 88/22P was her best tool in 3.1. She needs it back. A sidestep move that evades all linear attacks and puts the opponent in limbo stun? Yes please.I agree with what Mike said in his blog, especially with Tina. Mila and Bayman get advantage when you break their throws. There's no reason why Tina and Bass shouldn't get this as well.
I'm dippin' back into this thread just to add another cent in of my pointless change wallet. Ayo at least on the xbox leaderboards, a lot of the top players play Helena using what Mamba calls the "peusdo force techs," and that shi is p.crazy. Helena is definitely hecka good, and I don't think she needs improvement.
Omegan Eckhart
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Everyone complained about her being stupidly unsafe and having no frame advantage after her reveal and what did we get? She will get buffed but I doubt it will be what we are asking for.
I don't know why people keep saying that she's "unsafe."
Helena seems fine to me, i never have any trouble with her at all.
There is no need for a buff.
Helena seems fine to me, i never have any trouble with her at all.
There is no need for a buff.
Einzelkind
Active Member
After the initial shock, I also think she's nowhere near being the worst character in the game. If you think about it, she always had that many mid punches. The only thing they changed was taking away the last p in pp2kp and adding some moves. While it's true that all of her sitdown stuns are mid punches, this is the case for most of the cast (and her's actually guarantee a launcher). Her bko duck and her force techs have been nerfed, but they're still viable. If TN is thinking about giving her some buffs, they should consider making her stance transitions from her handslaps safer (+0 would be great), making her bko throw hit the ceiling and give her a sitdown stun or CB from bko or backturned, because 7p is shit. Just my 2 cents.
KwonJigglypuff
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The real problem I have with her is her damage output. And her ponytail. That's it.
That would be pretty easy and that would help her case a little bit.
That would be pretty easy and that would help her case a little bit.