lopedo
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No, that's not the reason we want her banned. Go look at the arguments we made against her. Counter those arguments.
Lets be serious here Alpha-152 needs to be banned.
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No, that's not the reason we want her banned. Go look at the arguments we made against her. Counter those arguments.
Even stupid characters can be fixed to be less stupid nowadays. Back in the days of older fighters, we didn't have the privilege of patches, and now we do.
But going on Twitter to address the issues with Alpha to get her fixed to be less stupid before street date and still give the Alpha players a fair shake (as I initially posted) is too much to ask for y'all. Instead, you guys wanna waste time spewing all that knowledge down the dedicated Alpha players' throats to a point where they feel demonized just for playing her. And I'm willing to bet that apathy is what caused some of the casual people to vote "no" just to spite you competitive players. As for me, I'm neutral on the matter. Always have been, always will be.
While I understand why Alpha is OP, come the fuck on guys. We're not living in the arcade/pre-Xbox 360 days where it's impossible to ask for a patch or slip one in before street date like with Super Turbo or Third Strike. Need I remind you that Tom Brady found REALLY stupid stuff for Sub-Zero in MK9 pre-release and addressed that to NRS, and they complied accordingly to fix it? But nobody wants to hear that...
But going on Twitter to address the issues with Alpha to get her fixed to be less stupid before street date and still give the Alpha players a fair shake (as I initially posted) is too much to ask for y'all. Instead, you guys wanna waste time spewing all that knowledge down the dedicated Alpha players' throats to a point where they feel demonized just for playing her. And I'm willing to bet that apathy is what caused some of the casual people to vote "no" just to spite you competitive players. As for me, I'm neutral on the matter. Always have been, always will be.
While I understand why Alpha is OP, come the fuck on guys. We're not living in the arcade/pre-Xbox 360 days where it's impossible to ask for a patch or slip one in before street date like with Super Turbo or Third Strike. Need I remind you that Tom Brady found REALLY stupid stuff for Sub-Zero in MK9 pre-release and addressed that to NRS, and they complied accordingly to fix it? But nobody wants to hear that...
lopedo
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Awesmic, a game goes Gold. This means that the master disc is sent into production so that many copies can be distributed world wide to us. It's safe to say 5U has gone Gold at this point.
Now then, patches are expensive. There is no way TN is going to day one patch a game they just released, especially for this. So then, our option is to ban Alpha now, or wait until DOA is worth 65 dollars at tournaments again, at which point nobody will even care.
Banning her now is the most logical step. If TN decides to address the game later in a patch and she gets worked on, we can open a poll and re-assess the situation.
Now then, patches are expensive. There is no way TN is going to day one patch a game they just released, especially for this. So then, our option is to ban Alpha now, or wait until DOA is worth 65 dollars at tournaments again, at which point nobody will even care.
Banning her now is the most logical step. If TN decides to address the game later in a patch and she gets worked on, we can open a poll and re-assess the situation.
Raansu
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No, she needs to be banned because she is legitimately broken. Not a single person in this thread who's "defending" her has even given a real counter argument. People maining a boss character should know full well the possibilities of said character being banned.
R4712-VR88
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All these pages of retarded arguing. I thought I clicked on a FreeStepDodge thread not a DOAWorld one.
Voted for ban.
And honestly I expect her to be confirmed officially banned within the week.
Voted for ban.
And honestly I expect her to be confirmed officially banned within the week.
werewolfgold
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You bet your ass TN is going to have a number of patches for DLC updates at least. With that, plus the fact that both Sony and Microsoft now don't charge for patches anymore, means that all they have to worry about is the dev costs to make it happen, which they may be able to make back by the DLC sales.
Now how soon you can expect a balance patch depends on how vocal everyone is.
Personally, I'm torn. On principle I think that banning a character before the release date...with this poll even expiring before the release date, is totally ridiculous. You can say that not much has changed with her and that she may have only received buffs, but I don't think that's 100% confirmed as of right now. And no one knows in the general scheme of balance with all the other characters how she will compare to everyone else. And now that everyone has her unlocked from the get-go, more people will perhaps use her, and that also means that more people will have the chance to come up with things to use against her. Until the masses get a hold of the game, I can't fully support banning a character like this.
...On the other hand, I always saw Alpha as a boss character. And it does seem like her core is to be the overpowered WTF character to begin with. I kind of feel like Alpha mainers should have seen the writing on the wall to a degree...
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I still don't see what's so "broken" about her.
lopedo
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Them not charging for patches is good, but TN has been known to take a little while before working on a patch, and then there was the whole fiasco with how long it took to get to one of the consoles. (I know it was a Microsoft thing.) Keep in mind also that we don't know if they A: can afford to work on a patch right now or B: have any desire to. That's all speculation, but from history, we know that the process is a long one. We don't have that long until TFC.
Right now, Alpha needs to be banned based on the information we have from DOA 5, and the updates we know she has received in 5U, like that launcher from FLOAT. Furthermore, people have played the game and have determined that she is pretty much the Alpha from 5, but has some new tricks. (EVEN WORSE!) There are at least 3 people out there right now with the final version of the game. Our very own Chosen 1 has one and has streamed it Live with Mystik Gunn, who also has it as they played online matches, meaning two copies. I know a couple of people are also getting it (legitimately, I'm excluding pirating from this discussion.)
And Blaze, try to counter the arguments made by those of us who want her banned. Right now, you're saying "don't ban her because don't ban her". Tell us why she isn't broken. Tell us how it makes sense that she can do (insert everything that has been discussed about her abilities in this game)... if you can't tell us that, just stop.
Right now, Alpha needs to be banned based on the information we have from DOA 5, and the updates we know she has received in 5U, like that launcher from FLOAT. Furthermore, people have played the game and have determined that she is pretty much the Alpha from 5, but has some new tricks. (EVEN WORSE!) There are at least 3 people out there right now with the final version of the game. Our very own Chosen 1 has one and has streamed it Live with Mystik Gunn, who also has it as they played online matches, meaning two copies. I know a couple of people are also getting it (legitimately, I'm excluding pirating from this discussion.)
And Blaze, try to counter the arguments made by those of us who want her banned. Right now, you're saying "don't ban her because don't ban her". Tell us why she isn't broken. Tell us how it makes sense that she can do (insert everything that has been discussed about her abilities in this game)... if you can't tell us that, just stop.
ScattereDreams
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Can you people please clarify why you feel the tools Alpha have are not OP/broken. All the people who're supporting alpha saying "She's not broken" are saying the same crap with no supporting details, which is something you learn in grammar school... You said you don't see how she's broken. That was said on the first page. Seriously, it's a little annoying now.
Tom Brady managed to get that (the Sub-Zero ice glitch in MK9) fixed when the game went gold though... keep in mind, this was just one guy. You, Rikuto, and some others are many with the knowledge of Alpha within your very grasp. Surely you don't doubt they will listen to at least one of you with such rock-solid information, especially if it's this serious.
Tenryuga
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This should definitely be brought to TN's attention because we have to consider that we are forcing potential alpha players that want to use her in tournaments to either use another character or not show up at all. I'm on board with a temporary ban but definitely take some action to bring her to an acceptable level so that we don't neglect Alpha players. I am also still waiting to hear counter strats since what everyone has been trying to do to take down this character apparently isn't enough or is wrong.
lopedo
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MK is handled by a different studio. I'm not saying it's impossible, but it is VERY unlikely. In the meantime, a temporary ban is what I think needs to happen.
Most Alpha players know how to use different characters. If they don't, well, that's the whole point. Alpha has something other DOA characters don't, she has a lot of things actually... and that's why until she's properly addressed, she needs to be banned.
Most Alpha players know how to use different characters. If they don't, well, that's the whole point. Alpha has something other DOA characters don't, she has a lot of things actually... and that's why until she's properly addressed, she needs to be banned.
Raansu
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That's not a counter argument. We've given technical reasons why she should be banned. You have done nothing to counter it. Either contribute or get lost.
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Its funny because I remember a time when I was going to face Julius, and I picked Alpha (Vanilla) and he quit. And then everybody congratulated me in the lobby. I thought it was a good thing, but I guess not because I felt bad afterwards....
lopedo
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...... What the hell does this have to do with the topic at hand. We're talking about offline events with serious money on the line. We're talking about giving DOA and the community a good name by not letting stupid characters enter tournaments. Your online outings are largely irrelevant here, more so than usual.
MajesticBlue
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2P is like Alpha's best move. Since everything after that is a massive try and read or screw it and just guess. That's why people want her banned. Any character who forces that many chances to read in her favor that easily is frowned upon. One of the few negatives I can think of is if you hold her 7K it is 12 frame punishable. ( I think?) Also isn't it hilarious that she could throw punish moves on hit with her 2T? Imo she kinda is over the top. After a while I just option select guess her and try to beat as many options as I can.
My god, the days 7K was plus 2 on block and 8T would catch you out the air. They were dark times. Also the 2KKK standing guard glitch was hell.
My god, the days 7K was plus 2 on block and 8T would catch you out the air. They were dark times. Also the 2KKK standing guard glitch was hell.
Ugh. No one deserves castration of that magnitude. Going to that extreme just changes a character from being absurdly broken/OP to being completely unplayable. Reversing the spectrum completely from one extreme to the other solves nothing, as was evident with Tengu in DOA4. Either no one plays them because they're banned or no one plays them because they are simply unplayable.
If enough high level players feel that Alpha should be banned, then ban her. Then when TN works on a patch to correct this (or rather, IF they do), she should just be given nerfs here and there to address what makes her OP, rather than completely destroying the character to the point where no one will ever use them under any conditions whatsoever.
The way they handled Tengu in DOA4 couldn't have been anymore wrong and it would be no different to apply that to Alpha now.
I realize, Fork, that you may have been exaggerating when you said that, but whether or not you are, there likely are some players who actually think she should be treated as ludicrously wrong as Tengu was.
On another note, I fail to see why being a boss character has any bearing over whether or not a character should be banned. They're just another character on the roster. Only if they are actually overpowered in some ridiculous way should they be banned. What difference does being the last AI opponent in story mode make?
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KidArk
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I don't think anyone was ever saying ban alpha from all tournaments for the rest of time ever for all foreseeable futures, we just want her out now.
I mean they never bring the boss character directly into the game they always nerf them, ie Seth , boss Seth is not the same as the Seth you play . In games where we get the actual boss character playable ie Gill from SS3 Third strike, they get banned . Cmon i mained Hilde, Taki , and Ice climbers and two of those characters were banned, i'm just glad Dudley wasn't banned in third strike cause he was called broken.
lopedo
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I completely agree with that. I don't want her nerfed to an unplayable level. I want Alpha players to use Alpha in the future when she can be balanced out with the majority of top level players agreeing on what is fair and what isn't, without bias. Making her DOA4 Tengu would be an injustice to the character, who actually, is pretty fucking cool if you think about her story and general appearance.
However, that does not change that right now, and for TFC and probably at least a month beyond, she needs to be banned from tournaments. I will definitely be more than happy to provide insight on how to make her playable, but a little bit less over the top than she is now in the future.
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