Lets be serious here Alpha-152 needs to be banned.

[lotr9690]

WOAH WOAH WOAH , not all of it xD!!

Thoughtful and valid... where applicable.

 

[hollow]

Ok, i'm one of the main Alpha-152 users online, and would be offline but i simply don't go to tournaments because I don't care, here's the thing, OK alpha has big damage IF you're dumb enough to spam the damn counter yes you WILL get punished, your fault not mine. If you don't know how to counter Alpha even tho 80% of her attacks are MID Kicks/Punches that's YOUR problem, you don't know how to fight her, again YOUR PROBLEM like wtf this issue is stupid and just irrelevant, NO one knows her frames for DOA5U so how are you making judgments? Because of your analysis from DOA5, MEANING you don't know if she has gotten Nerfed or Buffed, but at least WAIT until you play her or play against her before you accuse her of being "broken", no you wanna talk broken look at the VF characters especially Sarah, but even KNOWING that why ban them?? For what?? Every CHARACTER has their own strengths and weaknesses but its the PLAYER's fault if you they don't how to deal with them. Shut up and just play the game, if you're not winning money for your online victories and losses then shut the hell up and play.

 

[Brute]

OK alpha has big damage IF you're dumb enough to spam the damn counter yes you WILL get punished, your fault not mine.

If you don't know how to counter Alpha even tho 80% of her attacks are MID Kicks/Punches that's YOUR problem

lol

Anyway, Alpha's big, ludicrous damage is not limited to her throws.
As far as her "predictable to counter strings" thing goes, everyone but Akira mains can say the same about their character. A smart Alpha will not follow predictable strings and will not be susceptible to this anymore than anotehr character.

 

[Dutch Samurai]

I simply would like to see solid evidence as to why the character should be banned from tournament play. Meaning, play from top players in which she is shown to have an undisputed unfair advantage. We can discuss this till we're blue in the face. But it means as much as a pile of duck shit, without evidence.

 

[KidArk]

stuff

But Hollow , you hate fighting my gen fu and think he's stupid, 90% of his move list is Mid Punch and I get ... ridiculous damage and don't track half as well as that jello monster :c

I simply would like to see solid evidence as to why the character should be banned from tournament play. Meaning, play from top players in which she is shown to have an undisputed unfair advantage. We can discuss this till we're blue in the face. But it means as much as a pile of duck shit without evidence.

If you go back a few pages things were said about why she was banned, this article hasn't been , "BAN ALPHA CUZ SHES STUPID" we made legitimate claims and felt we no longer needed to repeat walls of text over and overr by saying she's stupid we're only implying the pages of text we had said hitherto.

 

[hollow]

But Hollow , you hate fighting my gen fu and think he's stupid, 90% of his move list is Mid Punch and I get ... ridiculous damage and don't track half as well as that jello monster :c



If you go back a few pages things were said about why she was banned, this article hasn't been , "BAN ALPHA CUZ SHES STUPID" we made legitimate claims and felt we no longer needed to repeat walls of text over and overr by saying she's stupid we're only implying the pages of text we had said hitherto.

Ok i hate all gen fus and??? everyone has a character or several characters that they just do not like simple and for some its Alpha i dont care hate who you want, but the difference is i wouldn't choose to ban anyone because like i said every character has strengths and weaknesses. AND Gen fu and every other character including Alpha can rape you against the wall soooo in my opinion no "legitimate" claims have been made. just hate of her advantages.

 

[Dutch Samurai]

If you go back a few pages things were said about why she was banned, this article hasn't been , "BAN ALPHA CUZ SHES STUPID" we made legitimate claims and felt we no longer needed to repeat walls of text over and overr by saying she's stupid we're only implying the pages of text we had said hitherto.

I saw the claims. Claims are just that... claims. And claims are bullshit without solid evidence. Show me video of top players where she's undisputedly kicking the opponents' asses so badly that it warrants taking her out of competitive play. Look I'm not saying this because I'm an Alpha fan.... Believe me, I'm not. I'm not saying she shouldn't be banned. Perhaps she should. I'm just reserving judgment till I see proof.

 

[KidArk]

I saw the claims. Claims are just that... claims. And claims are bullshit without solid evidence. Show me video of top players where she's undisputedly kicking the opponents' asses so badly that it warrants taking her out of competitive play. Look I'm not saying this because I'm an Alpha fan.... Believe me, I'm not. I'm not saying she shouldn't be banned. Perhaps she should. I'm just reserving judgment till I see proof.

We have no videos of Eliot ass being "indisputedly kicked badly" does that mean he's not low tier ? Is a temporary ban for 1 tournament of a character 1 person SUBS in tournaments so much of a travesty? She is playing a different game , while everyone else is fighting she's flying across the map to grab you for 1/3rd your life or grabbing through your attack for 50% all while being faster than you and being one of the only characters with a safe guard break in the game wth? Bass has soo many , ask how many of his are safe. But she can have everything good for herself fly around take away half your health and if people wanna say CHILL i'm not dealing with that I want a normal down to earth fight no bosses ? I'm sorry that I don't have video of alpha kicking ass in tournament to prove it, not that there isn't any it's just that seeing someone get their ass beat is nothing. It's far better to just read the frame data and understand, i'm sure you can see any character demolish anyone but that doesn't make him broken , makes the player good. But if the frame data says he's broken , that's it.

i dont care hate who you want, but the difference is i wouldn't choose to ban anyone because like i said every character has strengths and weaknesses... in my opinion no "legitimate" claims have been made. just hate of her advantages.

So characters in video games should never be banned because they have weaknesses, tell me what are alphas weaknesses? I can ONLY beat alpha when i knock her down because i can force tech her, but force techs are gone in 5U and alpha never needed those to be faster than you or do ridiculous damage. Everyone's game has really been FT heavy but alpha never cared for that as she could kill you and make you guess 3 ways out of a threshold to hit you into CB.
I still don't understand why all the alpha players are acting like we're talking about you as human beings. I get so much grief for even touching Gen Fu but that doesn't bother me at all. You just came in telling people to "shut the hell up and play", and started calling us "dumb", instead of making counter arguments of what people are saying about the character come on now...we can be far more civil than that. You constantly repeated that this is "Our problem" exactly it's our problem that's why we've brought it up here to try and remedy it telling us that this is our problem isn't helping us with our problem it's just rather redundant.

It's too late for this i'll add more about what everyone said was wrong with alpha later but seriously CIVILITY not HOSTILITY we're not trying to attack ANYONE.

 

[Dutch Samurai]

We have no videos of Eliot ass being "indisputedly kicked badly" does that mean he's not low tier ? Is a temporary ban for 1 tournament of a character 1 person SUBS in tournaments so much of a travesty? She is playing a different game , while everyone else is fighting she's flying across the map to grab you for 1/3rd your life or grabbing through your attack for 50% all while being faster than you and being one of the only characters with a safe guard break in the game wth? Bass has soo many , ask how many of his are safe. But she can have everything good for herself fly around take away half your health and if people wanna say CHILL i'm not dealing with that I want a normal down to earth fight no bosses ? I'm sorry that I don't have video of alpha kicking ass in tournament to prove it, not that there isn't any it's just that seeing someone get their ass beat is nothing. It's far better to just read the frame data and understand, i'm sure you can see any character demolish anyone but that doesn't make him broken , makes the player good. But if the frame data says he's broken , that's it.

That's why I said video of top players. People who are on relatively equal footing, competitively speaking. Nobody said temporary ban, by the way... They just want to outright ban the character.

Also Eliot being low-tier isn't the question. Even if it were, there would be video showing it in-game. You have to test these theories out. Video would be the most solid show of evidence.

Ayane is considered top-tier, yet she's not considered broken and most would say she shouldn't be banned from tournament play. It's a serious thing to say a character is so OP that he/she should be banned.

 

[KidArk]

That's why I said video of top players. People who are on relatively equal footing, competitively speaking. Nobody said temporary ban, by the way... They just want to outright ban the character.

Also Eliot being low-tier isn't the question. Even if it were, there would be video showing it in-game. You have to test these theories out.

No you assume everyone is saying outright ban no one wants this character gone for good , I don't think anyone really wanted that everyone has been saying TEMP ban and then make changes. This thread has gotten too convoluted... the true message is just lost .

 

[Deleted member 473]

If were going to start banning characters. Ban the VF characters, the ninjas(Except Hayate and Hayabusa), Brad and Lisa, Genfu (fuck you old man), Leifang and Christie and Helena.

 

[Dutch Samurai]

Hey why don't we ban everybody but Zack!? Then it'll be Zack on Zack all the time!!

@KidArk If we're talking tiers, by the way, why is it that Alpha is listed here as being considered a B? Shouldn't she have her own category?

 

[Raansu]

Hey why don't we ban everybody but Zack!? Then it'll be Zack on Zack all the time!!

@KidArk If we're talking tiers, by the way, why is it that Alpha is listed here as being considered a B? Shouldn't she have her own category?

1.) You can't build a proper tier list based on match ups if no one ever talks about said match ups outside of 1 or 2 people and then never updates said match ups.

2.) 99% of the people in that thread don't know what they are talking about.

 

[Deleted member 473]

Hey why don't we ban everybody but Zack!? Then it'll be Zack on Zack all the time!!

@KidArk If we're talking tiers, by the way, why is it that Alpha is listed here as being considered a B? Shouldn't she have her own category?

What if Zack had an Alpha mode? (O.O) Imma tell TN.

 

[hollow]

What if Zack had an Alpha mode? (O.O)

i would cry..... hard... lol

 

[lotr9690]

Honestly, I think we should treat her as a boss character. No other character is on trial here, just Alpha. There is a reason Alpha was not playable in DOA4. She is an extra character, intended for us to just goof around with. Can she be a competitive player? Sure. Should she be? Probably not. If you want to take her into a lobby and show off, that's awesome! But with her map advantages, frustrating mix ups, gross damage output vs her lightning speed... it doesn't seem appropriate for her to be in the tournament scene. The mere fact that so many people are frustrated with her should hold some weight especially in the tournament scene.

If you main Alpha you can still use other characters. I know it sucks. I imagine if they took my Helena away I would be upset; but there is a whole roster filled with fun characters at our disposal. If you are truly a talented, and well-seasoned DOA fighter you can transfer your skill with Alpha and apply it to another character. The most obvious might be Kasumi/Ninja character or a VF character.

 

[Vincent Rayne]

lol. i thought my "Tier Whore" sense were tingling in this thread. when will you guys just take a message from the japanese players that bring low tier characters to tourneys all the time and smash people with them. i read a message that was like:

BAN
NERF
BUFF
ADAPT

that's all that i'm gonna say here. use who you want and just learn shit. don't get beat then think "oh, that character is so op." especially alpha. this is just nit-picking to try to ban a character that doesn't need to be. unless, she has infinites or mechanics that completely make her unfair as opposed to the rest of the cast (no she doesn't have any) then she doesn't need to be banned at all. this is a dumb subject.

 

[iHajinShinobi]

That's why I said video of top players. People who are on relatively equal footing, competitively speaking. Nobody said temporary ban, by the way... They just want to outright ban the character.

Also Eliot being low-tier isn't the question. Even if it were, there would be video showing it in-game. You have to test these theories out. Video would be the most solid show of evidence.

Ayane is considered top-tier, yet she's not considered broken and most would say she shouldn't be banned from tournament play. It's a serious thing to say a character is so OP that he/she should be banned.

Yeah, majority agree that she's high to top, but the same majority do not really understand why she is. Very few (I'm talking maybe 5-10% and that's being very generous) actually understand why and what makes Ayane a solid character in DOA.

To the rest of you, please stop using the term "broken". There isn't anything in DOA that's worthy of being deemed as "broken". That term has been used so loosely in this generation because so many players refuse to do what the Vincent Rayne just said. Adapt.

 

[Raansu]

lol. i thought my "Tier Whore" sense were tingling in this thread. when will you guys just take a message from the japanese players that bring low tier characters to tourneys all the time and smash people with them. i read a message that was like:

BAN
NERF
BUFF
ADAPT

that's all that i'm gonna say here. use who you want and just learn shit. don't get beat then think "oh, that character is so op." especially alpha. this is just nit-picking to try to ban a character that doesn't need to be. unless, she has infinites or mechanics that completely make her unfair as opposed to the rest of the cast (no she doesn't have any) then she doesn't need to be banned at all. this is a dumb subject.

This does not apply to a character who has the best of everything. She has speed, high damage from juggles and throws, some of the best string manipulation in the game, a low throw that's 3 frames and does insane damage. She has everything. She's faster than most strikers, does more damage than most strikers, has damaging throws equal to that of a grappler and her guard breaks are actually + on block compared to several guard breaks for grapplers that are negative on block. Lack of wake up kicks is not exactly a negative here considering most people tech immediately to avoid FT setups anyways. Counters doing zero damage isn't really a negative either given that it resets the position with the potential of putting the opponent against the wall.

Also, again, your post like everyone else does nothing to really counter argue why she should not be banned. None of you are giving technical reasons as to why she should not be banned. None of you are quoting the technical reasons given on why she should be banned and making counter arguments to those reasons given. Instead all of you are just telling people to shut up without giving any logical input. Banning a character is serious, and the people trying to defend this character are not taking this seriously at all. That or all of you are well aware of how strong she is and truly do not have any counter argument to put in, thus the personal attacks to the players themselves.

 

[lotr9690]

^I don't think you can use more sound reasoning, WHY!?