DR2K
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No, I was asking what you meant by selling out in this context.
Lets be serious here Alpha-152 needs to be banned.
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No, I was asking what you meant by selling out in this context.
Omegan Eckhart
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I recognise you and I will not agree on this so I'm not going to try and convince you otherwise. I'm not saying you don't have any valid points but I think we are likely to just end up repeating ourselves.
FlamingMuffin
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I sort of see TN's reasoning for making BURST so powerful on HC. Alpha can't counter, only negate the damage while usually leaving herself at disadvantage. To compensate, she makes it so her opponent "can't" either.
Of course, BURST being slow means you have to predict the counter instead of on reaction. Now that parries no longer offer guaranteed damage (I believe) 1/3 of the triangle system is not available for Alpha. Thus, another 1/3 (throws) is buffed.
Of course, BURST being slow means you have to predict the counter instead of on reaction. Now that parries no longer offer guaranteed damage (I believe) 1/3 of the triangle system is not available for Alpha. Thus, another 1/3 (throws) is buffed.
wutwutdayum
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I wont be able to make it to TFC so my opinion is useless (yea im admitting b4 hate comments) but alpha should've been banned a long time ago. She's a BOSS character. She wasnt playable in 4 and the only reason she was playable in dimensions is b/c all bosses were. her not having 1/3 of triangle system is even more of a reason to ban her since her fighting mechanics are too different from the rest.
lotr9690
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Unfortunately... Your liberal use of "lol" and vague noncommittal phrases prevented any sort of communication. My issue is that you didn't read the post. Read my orignal post. It didn't warrant a troll's response. I compose my posts exactly how I mean them to be conveyed. That whole portion you quoted up there was all sarcasm - you missed the whole crux of it. I don't care if you like me. But if you are trying to strengthen the FGC and the DOA community you learn to respect fellow players. None of us should have to leave this forum feeling frustrated because someone trolled us for LITERALLY no reason. Again, take some time to make your post. Especially, in a frustrating thread like this! We all ought to have equal consideration for our ideas from our peers - it's more productive that way. I shouldn't have to make this many posts... ever -my original post didn't earn this. Save the trash talk for the ring.
Because we are peers -- not friends -- peers. Again, I could give a flying mirkin if you like me.Now here's the kicker: I wasn't even... Complaining abt her! That's right. I don't even care if she's banned. I don't care if they keep her moves, don't care if they just get rid of em. I was simply making an observation; "at first glance" she seems to be the same alpha-152 in 5u. Yup. But thank you for continuing this post chain so I can illustrate the importance of careful reading.
If you want this discussion to continue hollow, PM me. Any more posts will probably be considered hijacking or at the very least inappropriate.
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Codemaster92163
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I suppose my issue with the whole thing is that characters should only really be banned if they're absurdly difficult to win against or have a property that makes it nigh impossible for the other player to do anything against them.
Alpha being good is one thing, and having good tools helps with that, but to say a ban is warranted because you have some difficulties playing her is a bit strange to the ear. Her offensive tools are amazing, everyone agrees, but now, especially in DOA5U, her defense is piss-poor. She'll take far more damage than the rest of the cast due to her new weight, her parry can now be blocked (though I'd rather the punch disappear altogether), she still gets nothing for her counters, she still has no wake-up kicks apart from the easily seen one, and she still is very unsafe if she guesses wrong.
Someone mentioned that it's only online players (for the most part) taking her side, but while I don't go to tournaments, I play offline a lot. Even if I hadn't, it doesn't diminish my knowledge of Alpha in the slightest. I don't go not because I'm terrible at the game, but because my situation simply doesn't allow for it, nor do I really want to.
I guess I'm just confused because I have never had an issue when playing against another Alpha player, which is why I don't see how everyone else seems to think she's some sort of jello God. I suppose I would attribute that to a lack of knowledge, a lack of patience, or merely a lack of proper strategy. When fighting her, you can't play defensively, and you have to keep in mind that you're never in danger of taking damage from a counter. Only a few of her strings can be delayed, and those that can have little mix-up built into them, and can usually (again, sorry to sound like a broken record) be beaten out by high crushes at fairly predictable times.
Much of what was complained about in the thread has been changed. No more super fast OH, no more guaranteed wall combo off her parry, and no more "little reward" for guessing correctly on her (now that even the smallest launch should net everyone decent damage against her).
The slower characters may always have issues against her, but that's just a match-up issue, not a character issue. She is technically unbalanced, yes, but that simply means you have to play against her a little differently than you would another character. Her focus on offense rather than defense doesn't mean she should be banned.
Alpha being good is one thing, and having good tools helps with that, but to say a ban is warranted because you have some difficulties playing her is a bit strange to the ear. Her offensive tools are amazing, everyone agrees, but now, especially in DOA5U, her defense is piss-poor. She'll take far more damage than the rest of the cast due to her new weight, her parry can now be blocked (though I'd rather the punch disappear altogether), she still gets nothing for her counters, she still has no wake-up kicks apart from the easily seen one, and she still is very unsafe if she guesses wrong.
Someone mentioned that it's only online players (for the most part) taking her side, but while I don't go to tournaments, I play offline a lot. Even if I hadn't, it doesn't diminish my knowledge of Alpha in the slightest. I don't go not because I'm terrible at the game, but because my situation simply doesn't allow for it, nor do I really want to.
I guess I'm just confused because I have never had an issue when playing against another Alpha player, which is why I don't see how everyone else seems to think she's some sort of jello God. I suppose I would attribute that to a lack of knowledge, a lack of patience, or merely a lack of proper strategy. When fighting her, you can't play defensively, and you have to keep in mind that you're never in danger of taking damage from a counter. Only a few of her strings can be delayed, and those that can have little mix-up built into them, and can usually (again, sorry to sound like a broken record) be beaten out by high crushes at fairly predictable times.
Much of what was complained about in the thread has been changed. No more super fast OH, no more guaranteed wall combo off her parry, and no more "little reward" for guessing correctly on her (now that even the smallest launch should net everyone decent damage against her).
The slower characters may always have issues against her, but that's just a match-up issue, not a character issue. She is technically unbalanced, yes, but that simply means you have to play against her a little differently than you would another character. Her focus on offense rather than defense doesn't mean she should be banned.
Allan Paris
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Her parry that can be blocked is a GB that's putting her at +17.
Codemaster92163
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That's true, but if you can block it, I assume you can counter and SS it as well.
Still, I want the punch portion removed, even being an Alpha player myself.
Still, I want the punch portion removed, even being an Alpha player myself.
7thfonon
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Banning a character is a huge decision. Perhaps people should give the game (DOA5U) some time before deciding on whether this character should be banned?
While looking at changes on paper can be discouraging. I don't think anyone would disagree that the only facts on paper that should really matter to you guys (in terms of banning) are tournament results.
If there are only one or two people dominating with Alpha, I don't see it being worthy of a ban (maybe those players are just that good)..... If you guys start seeing most grand finals turning into Alpha mirror matches, then yeah, you have serious a problem on your hands.
While looking at changes on paper can be discouraging. I don't think anyone would disagree that the only facts on paper that should really matter to you guys (in terms of banning) are tournament results.
If there are only one or two people dominating with Alpha, I don't see it being worthy of a ban (maybe those players are just that good)..... If you guys start seeing most grand finals turning into Alpha mirror matches, then yeah, you have serious a problem on your hands.
^I disagree with all of this quoted stuff.
synce
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I posted this in Alpha forum but I'll post it here too. If anyone believes Alpha is broken, challenge me on 5U. My PSN is Rikishi4Life and I'll be online tomorrow night. You can pick Alpha and I'll pick another one of my mains. Since Alpha is so good and abusable you should still be able to beat me right? I look forward to seeing who's man enough
Sure, I'll judge the character based on some online play because that will prove that I'm "man enough."
Or I can just look at the situation logically and try my best to analyze things in a top level player environment, such as the character's potential offline (y'know, where tournaments are and stuff).
I respectfully decline your invitation.
David Gregg
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Who won this first match again in the grand finals?
(runs)
Raansu
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Because that totally makes sense...
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LOL this is why I can't stand complainers. He just raped that jello. LMAO
If RIkuto can do it, anybody can.... or can they?
XV MR ARMANI
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from what I've been seeing so far people are saying that boss = ban. but, there are 4 boss characters in the current Tekken roster but no one is really trippin off that & it's not like alpha is unbeatable. & before we make any official decisions lets give 5U a chance
7thfonon
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Brute 5 Minutes From Now said:
All jokes aside. This is ultimately what you want to do (analyze through tournaments).
And Team Ninja has been rather good about updating this series and listening to their community, have they not? If things don't work out (and Alpha ends up being ridiculously strong/banned), Team Ninja at least now has actual tournament footage and feedback to learn from. This kind of feedback will be much more reliable as opposed to everyone's day-1/day-2 opinions.
Raansu
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LOL this is why I can't stand complainers. He just raped that jello. LMAO
If RIkuto can do it, anybody can.... or can they?
You realize Rikuto is in favor of banning her right? Just because she is "beatable" doesn't change the fact that she is arguably OP. The same logic is applied to low tier characters. Just because someone wins with them still doesn't change the fact that they are indeed a low tier character.
ThatDarnNinja
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I've only skimmed the thread so this may have been mentioned, but Alpha's hitbox is literally broken. She can avoid highs at certain points in her idle animation. Might not play into actual fights too often but still pretty silly.
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