Agreed.
Marie Rose update will surely bring general changes
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JerryPlaysLOL
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So, I might be using SC lingo, not up to par with DOA stuff yet.
However, Hitomi's moves, 214KP and 214PKP feel awkward and need an ending.
Also eliot's P+KPP+KPKPPPKP is retarded. is that even possible to use that outside of training?
However, Hitomi's moves, 214KP and 214PKP feel awkward and need an ending.
Also eliot's P+KPP+KPKPPPKP is retarded. is that even possible to use that outside of training?
TRI Mike
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- Buff Tina like in my thread over in her forum.
- Make all of Hele's palm enders -5 again.
- Bring back Busa's 4PK, PP4PK and 3H+K from vanilla, the new one is retarded.
- Every single SDS, Faint Stun and Back-turned stun in the game should guarantee a basi combo.
- Every single guard break shold be +
- Nerf wake-up kicks to the point where people won't want to use them. Don't allow them to stun, ever. Make them unsafe, slower and linear.
- Maybe a few new moves for Gen Fu, the old dude is using literally the same animations since DOA2.
- Rig's high kick enders must be +2 again
- Maybe buff Rachel's start-up frames in the stomp but not the pre-patch status. Right now is just too slow.
- Make all of Hele's palm enders -5 again.
- Bring back Busa's 4PK, PP4PK and 3H+K from vanilla, the new one is retarded.
- Every single SDS, Faint Stun and Back-turned stun in the game should guarantee a basi combo.
- Every single guard break shold be +
- Nerf wake-up kicks to the point where people won't want to use them. Don't allow them to stun, ever. Make them unsafe, slower and linear.
- Maybe a few new moves for Gen Fu, the old dude is using literally the same animations since DOA2.
- Rig's high kick enders must be +2 again
- Maybe buff Rachel's start-up frames in the stomp but not the pre-patch status. Right now is just too slow.
DontForkWitMe
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How do you make the strongest man in the world even stronger?
Make ALL his charge attacks unblockable like the fully charged arm grenade.. these are slow ass 40+ frame attacks that give opponents plenty of time to react with a hold, sidestep, or interrupt the charge with a throw or attack. so if they want to stand there blocking like idiots they should be punished with unblockable damage rather than frame advantage since he already has plenty of faster guardbreaks that give him frame advantage that don't require charging.
Another small tweak for him is make his foreground/background air grab inputs 2T/8T while opponents are airborne instead of 28T/82T. He has some setups that require him to dash in real fast for an air throw to connect which makes it impossible to dash in and quickly tap two directional inputs before grabbing them in time so he has to settle with 5T or 4T in those situations forgoing any potential background/forground wall or object that he could've taken advantage of.
Otherwise hes pretty much perfect, maybe give him some new hold animations because its redundant that him and bayman share the same ones especially when they went through all the effort to individualize them from being clones.
Also buff eliot for fucks sake, its pathetic how badly this kid has had it. All they need to do is un-nerf him back to how he was in vanilla while keeping his buffs from ultimate and he'd be solid.
Make ALL his charge attacks unblockable like the fully charged arm grenade.. these are slow ass 40+ frame attacks that give opponents plenty of time to react with a hold, sidestep, or interrupt the charge with a throw or attack. so if they want to stand there blocking like idiots they should be punished with unblockable damage rather than frame advantage since he already has plenty of faster guardbreaks that give him frame advantage that don't require charging.
Another small tweak for him is make his foreground/background air grab inputs 2T/8T while opponents are airborne instead of 28T/82T. He has some setups that require him to dash in real fast for an air throw to connect which makes it impossible to dash in and quickly tap two directional inputs before grabbing them in time so he has to settle with 5T or 4T in those situations forgoing any potential background/forground wall or object that he could've taken advantage of.
Otherwise hes pretty much perfect, maybe give him some new hold animations because its redundant that him and bayman share the same ones especially when they went through all the effort to individualize them from being clones.
Also buff eliot for fucks sake, its pathetic how badly this kid has had it. All they need to do is un-nerf him back to how he was in vanilla while keeping his buffs from ultimate and he'd be solid.
I wasn't gonna ask for those but hell, I'll take 'em. 4PK returned to vanilla status? Jump up three tiers.
Rig is already a godsend. Buffing him any bit would just make him more godly.
Shouldn't they already be there? Stupid angels.
Lol. That's what I was thinking.
MasterHavik
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I think I got an idea of what they can do for Zack.
Yes...?
MasterHavik
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I'll tell you and everyone tomorrow. Give me some time to get my thoughts straight.
That doesn't normally stop you.
MasterHavik
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I got to sleep because I got a long shift at work tomorrow. That does stop me.That doesn't normally stop you.
What does everyone think about Leon getting a ceiling hit off of 214P? I think it'd be cool, considering that he's the king of capitalizing off of the environment, but doesn't currently have a ceiling hit, aside from the universal Power Launcher. I can see how some may consider it too powerful though.
Land 214P and get ceiling damage and an unholdable stun. Use the stun to fully charge P+KT, then air throw (possibly into a wall or breakable object).
Land 214P and get ceiling damage and an unholdable stun. Use the stun to fully charge P+KT, then air throw (possibly into a wall or breakable object).
KingGhidorah
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Sounds like overkill, at least to me. As it stands Leon doesn't really seem to need much as he's pretty damn scary as is. Just my opinion.
Actually, he does. 4P+KP. If you hold the second P to max charge you get a ceiling hit.
Anyway, I think 214P is fine as is. Only things I'd change are the 4P2K I mentioned earlier, and I'd also just axe the WR P (hold3-P). I keep getting it when I want normal 3P (being his fastest mid), but coming out of a crouch status I get that useless move instead. Fucking hate that shit. It can go to hell.
Otherwise, Leon is golden.
KingGhidorah
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I hate that too. All I asked for when I used him was that he did a normal 3P, but no, rising 3P apparently would not be denied. ;~;
Nice to know I'm not alone. That thing needs to go; pronto!
Or just change the input to something like 236P. That would be fine.
I thought as much. That's why I was asking for a general consensus. It was just a thought.
Oh yeah, I forgot about that. I never use that move.
It's not a WR move. It's just 3(hold)P, but I agree. The only time I ever do that move is entirely by accident and I hate it.
He already has a move mapped to 236P that I would much rather have.
KingGhidorah
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Entirely removing it would prove the best route.