With the Tackle and 4k changes maybe they want to make her 4KT have a significantly higher rate of success. I'm not sure what all the requirements are aside from blocking and whiffed holds/highs but I've occasionally had success making that work without canceling. Most of the time when I get 4K to connect the opponent will be in their "crouching-hit-recovery" state and the Tackle won't work (as if they were ducking), other times (again not sure of all the situations as it doesn't happen a whole lot outside of aforementioned requirements) they will remain in a standing state after taking the damage and the hit stun is long enough (barely) to get hit by the Tackle if they don't low hold (haven't seen that yet though).
Mila's 1.0.3 Changes
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Chaos
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Thats what happens when people bitch about a certain character being "OP"
Edit: These changes are not that bad.
So if I understand correctly, you're saying that with the added recovery to 4K on hit and block, the TD follow up could potentially grab them as they recover from the stun?
That could be the case fot the TD, but all other TD cancel options being slower might make it harder for her to continue stuns or launch as opponents will have more time to slow escape or react.
Takedown change...EWE. Activation frames were extended and coming out of SS is pretty slow, you go into the crouching state before the takedown after the SS, which is kind of odd. Not to mention sidestepping
6P recovery is fairly noticeable, more or less just gives the opponent more time to prepare for the second P in the string.
9P bounces only on Critical Stuns (red) and on CB.
1P...well there goes one Mount recovery option, looks like it will only now stun on counter and critical hits.
As for the damage buffs on Takedown, amazing. You can SEE the difference in damage, as in HOLY SHIT THAT DAMAGE.
Tackle PPP: In the Lab 60 damage on normal hit if you get all three hits (without Tackle damage, with it 96 damage), Counter: adds another 7 damage from just tackle (103),
Hi-Counter Tackle is 51, plus the 60 from the full PPP (111).
On normal surfaces the PPP combo deals 50, total 80 damage if done just from Tackle.
214T Total damage is now 90, just need 3 of those to win a match now...
And I was wrong about the 4KT, figured out the conditions to make it work just now. 4K needs to be a normal hit or on block, no stun or critical hit to make the Tackle work. Otherwise 4K is pretty punishable now.
Haven't been online, will try some matches after work in the morning.
6P recovery is fairly noticeable, more or less just gives the opponent more time to prepare for the second P in the string.
9P bounces only on Critical Stuns (red) and on CB.
1P...well there goes one Mount recovery option, looks like it will only now stun on counter and critical hits.
As for the damage buffs on Takedown, amazing. You can SEE the difference in damage, as in HOLY SHIT THAT DAMAGE.
Tackle PPP: In the Lab 60 damage on normal hit if you get all three hits (without Tackle damage, with it 96 damage), Counter: adds another 7 damage from just tackle (103),
Hi-Counter Tackle is 51, plus the 60 from the full PPP (111).
On normal surfaces the PPP combo deals 50, total 80 damage if done just from Tackle.
214T Total damage is now 90, just need 3 of those to win a match now...
And I was wrong about the 4KT, figured out the conditions to make it work just now. 4K needs to be a normal hit or on block, no stun or critical hit to make the Tackle work. Otherwise 4K is pretty punishable now.
Haven't been online, will try some matches after work in the morning.
DrDogg
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It depends on how you like to play DOA5 Mila. My play style is to prevent the opponent from countering as much as possible. The 6T loop was a great way to do this since the opponent is never in a heavy stun. Now, it starts a stun combo, which makes it no different than any other CH stun. Can I work with it, yes. Would I prefer the old K, absolutely.
When the tackle doesn't connect after 4K, Mila is at advantage. Sometimes this is better than having the tackle connect. As long as the changes doesn't make tackle more reactable, I'll deal. As it stands, you can already react to the tackle so... yeah.
rximmortal
Active Member
So here is my point of view after testing her on 1.03.
7P is totaly useless now you can continue even with single hit after it counters.
6T , K - same as before
6P - same as before
Tackle damage and punches damage are higher.
4K , T now is slower but you can hit with T even if your oponent is hitted by 4k.
p+k - totaly useless now.
Mila no longer has 7p , p+k loop.
(so there are 2 useless moves until now)
side step P same as before
side step K same as before (-7 on block now)
K make 26 stun on counter hit which is not so big deal
So when i sumarize:
Now mila has 2 ABSOLUTLY USELESS MOVES , and a buff to the damage in take down which is slower.
So at ALL IT IS TOTAL NERF. NO buffs.
7P is totaly useless now you can continue even with single hit after it counters.
6T , K - same as before
6P - same as before
Tackle damage and punches damage are higher.
4K , T now is slower but you can hit with T even if your oponent is hitted by 4k.
p+k - totaly useless now.
Mila no longer has 7p , p+k loop.
(so there are 2 useless moves until now)
side step P same as before
side step K same as before (-7 on block now)
K make 26 stun on counter hit which is not so big deal
So when i sumarize:
Now mila has 2 ABSOLUTLY USELESS MOVES , and a buff to the damage in take down which is slower.
So at ALL IT IS TOTAL NERF. NO buffs.
Codemaster92163
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You say that as though Mila required buffs. Compared to the rest of the cast, even now, she's a great contender. Sure, this isn't pleasant news for any Mila player, but I'm sure most of us saw this coming.
Yaguar
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rximmortal
Active Member
good luck
Raansu
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Problem is she didn't need to be nerfed. These changes were unnecessary...just like most of the changes in the patch.
I'm doing fine against most people online with barely any changes to the way I play Mila, just need to stop using SST as an initiation tool and play more at 3+ bars instead of taking anybody in ranked. Though now it is pretty difficult for me to counter SST properly because of the decreased speed on it while so many attacks that don't have tracking capabilities somehow seem to get them as I SST.good luck
Assuming a launch via 33P no can do, the P+K is techable but can be grabbed if the person doesn't tech (they end up on the ground close enough to be grabbed).
Same with 6H+K as a launch, your opponent just can tech but otherwise it isn't possible if they do.
If using 9K to launch you will whiff with the P+K.
P6PP, 3H+K is too slow if they tech but will force a tech if it is not teched.
Yeah, pretty bad how easy it is to do 150+ damage with her in a single combo. My personal best so far is 15 hits doing 185 damage pre 1.02 in ranked, 13 hits 195 damage Offline (there was a mount follow up both times in the Lab because I didn't think the people would tech). Pretty sure I can do over 200 now with the mount PPP buff.
Just now noticed her PPPP on normal hit doesn't count the first three hits as part of the combo if used to start one. Just now did a 171 damage combo (PPPP, PPPP, 6P+K for Critical Burst, 33P, P6PP, PPPP, 2T, PPP on lightweight) using PPPP as a start and lost 38 damage off the combo as a result. So really I did 209 damage... That's pretty damn powerful, especially against people who don't know how to tech or see it coming. I use lot's of variations of this in battles because up until the CB because the damage is so damn reliable once they get launched. Mid weight and higher you have to modify the last PPPP to PPP and PP respectively unless you have the timing down just right to get a PPP in on heavyweights (happens more often than you think it would). If the person is teching it then I just use P6P6P to hit them into a wall for about 130ish damage.
If you can sneak in a 3PP instead of the last PPPP then you can get a bounce high enough to do one or two more hits max, if lucky as all get out another (I've only done it once and can't replicate it at all) 3PP into another small bounce that you can't really do anything after.
Same with 6H+K as a launch, your opponent just can tech but otherwise it isn't possible if they do.
If using 9K to launch you will whiff with the P+K.
P6PP, 3H+K is too slow if they tech but will force a tech if it is not teched.
Yeah, pretty bad how easy it is to do 150+ damage with her in a single combo. My personal best so far is 15 hits doing 185 damage pre 1.02 in ranked, 13 hits 195 damage Offline (there was a mount follow up both times in the Lab because I didn't think the people would tech). Pretty sure I can do over 200 now with the mount PPP buff.
Just now noticed her PPPP on normal hit doesn't count the first three hits as part of the combo if used to start one. Just now did a 171 damage combo (PPPP, PPPP, 6P+K for Critical Burst, 33P, P6PP, PPPP, 2T, PPP on lightweight) using PPPP as a start and lost 38 damage off the combo as a result. So really I did 209 damage... That's pretty damn powerful, especially against people who don't know how to tech or see it coming. I use lot's of variations of this in battles because up until the CB because the damage is so damn reliable once they get launched. Mid weight and higher you have to modify the last PPPP to PPP and PP respectively unless you have the timing down just right to get a PPP in on heavyweights (happens more often than you think it would). If the person is teching it then I just use P6P6P to hit them into a wall for about 130ish damage.
If you can sneak in a 3PP instead of the last PPPP then you can get a bounce high enough to do one or two more hits max, if lucky as all get out another (I've only done it once and can't replicate it at all) 3PP into another small bounce that you can't really do anything after.
No P+K doesn't work anymore, either go for full air juggle or pseudo.
And yes, she hits freaking hard with the new health adjustment.
DrDogg
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Well, it's been fun guys. I'll see you next game. Of all the nerfs, this is by far the biggest.
It's unsafe. How is that at all, "same as before". Being unsafe means it's pretty much useless now.
Online...
No offense, but the only Mila footage we have of you is 3H+K spam. Based solely on that, you have no reason to be upset because 3H+K wasn't changed. But you never used Mila's best tools, which have all been nerfed to hell, and your Mila was never put up against top players.