You can definitely see the differences in this pic. I never thought they looked similar, but they do make an adorable tag team!Oh and for arguments sake;
Anybody still think they look similar? Cause I sure as hell don't.
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I posted this on FB immediately after watching her introduction video and it sums up my feelings and thoughts I have.
TLDR; I'm disappointed at the generic copy pasted marie rose + huge tits w/ pink hair with the copy moveset like Raidou, ALTHOUGH the cow milk shirt she has is the ONLY redeeming quality out of all of this, why? Because it's funny/tongue in cheek and humor trumps all.
DOA just keeps getting harder and harder to defend. After the Nurse, Maid, and Bathtime costumes, among others, it's like all the appeal is targeted to fetish-y Otaku anime people. Believe it or not, DOA initially wasn't really about that. If anything, it took a backseat among just trying to be an awesomely badass game with sex appeal (something that every fighter takes into account for now, though DOA tends to get slack for it the most because it started it).
Now new characters are entirely being devoted to this? Hey, here's your schoolgirl anime look-alike complete in name (Honoka Kousaka) with the officially confirmed biggest boobs TO DATE out of any character (like that was needed). Mia Rose was to fulfill the lolita no boob itty-bitty-titty-committee crowd/niche. Making Tengu a girl was cool because there were reasons behind it and it made sense. Tengu had a history of being the least used and unpopular character, so the sex appeal was applied where it was much needed. That's an example of doing it right.
I just wish DOA would stand more on its merit with its gameplay, which is legit. I was very happy with DOA5U's gameplay and from its continue support through patches. I'd go out and say it was balanced fighter (dare I say), but I think fans would have been more satisfied with another unique character from a fighting style or nationality that hasn't been represented yet, instead of a copy pasted Marie Rose with tits and pink hair. Perhaps an Arabic chick or something? Idk (very few arabic fighting game characters), but really anything. A fighting style? Hell give me another ninja. Give me Irene! At least then we'd be completionists. Give me Miss Monday! I'd buy Yaiba for sure I promise.
Instead of Honoka, I'd rather have had arcade cinematics. I think everyone misses the CG endings if you're talking fan based nuances that people wish they had. Those cinematics were all memorable and timeless, and we don't have any new ones anymore. I think it would really complete DOA5 seeing all the improvement and editions it has had. But ANOTHER RAIDOU?! RAIDOU AIN'T EVEN OUT YET?! I don't care for a DOA Edgemaster/Dural zomg all fighting styles, but if we were going to have one, fine Raidou, the established first evil villain boss of the first game, Honoka? Uhm. No thanks.
God and their plot device reasoning allowing Honoka to be a thing is soooo mind numbingly stupid. You're telling me scientists slaved away at making clones and following through with experiments, fiddling with DNA from all the greatest fighters in the known universe for genetic-modification perfection in order to create THE MOST POWERFUL FIGHTER IN THE WORLD just to be trounced by some random japanese girl that is able to mimic all the moves she sees perfectly like a damn Sharingan from Naruto!? Fuck off, man.
TLDR; I'm disappointed at the generic copy pasted marie rose + huge tits w/ pink hair with the copy moveset like Raidou, ALTHOUGH the cow milk shirt she has is the ONLY redeeming quality out of all of this, why? Because it's funny/tongue in cheek and humor trumps all.
DOA just keeps getting harder and harder to defend. After the Nurse, Maid, and Bathtime costumes, among others, it's like all the appeal is targeted to fetish-y Otaku anime people. Believe it or not, DOA initially wasn't really about that. If anything, it took a backseat among just trying to be an awesomely badass game with sex appeal (something that every fighter takes into account for now, though DOA tends to get slack for it the most because it started it).
Now new characters are entirely being devoted to this? Hey, here's your schoolgirl anime look-alike complete in name (Honoka Kousaka) with the officially confirmed biggest boobs TO DATE out of any character (like that was needed). Mia Rose was to fulfill the lolita no boob itty-bitty-titty-committee crowd/niche. Making Tengu a girl was cool because there were reasons behind it and it made sense. Tengu had a history of being the least used and unpopular character, so the sex appeal was applied where it was much needed. That's an example of doing it right.
I just wish DOA would stand more on its merit with its gameplay, which is legit. I was very happy with DOA5U's gameplay and from its continue support through patches. I'd go out and say it was balanced fighter (dare I say), but I think fans would have been more satisfied with another unique character from a fighting style or nationality that hasn't been represented yet, instead of a copy pasted Marie Rose with tits and pink hair. Perhaps an Arabic chick or something? Idk (very few arabic fighting game characters), but really anything. A fighting style? Hell give me another ninja. Give me Irene! At least then we'd be completionists. Give me Miss Monday! I'd buy Yaiba for sure I promise.
Instead of Honoka, I'd rather have had arcade cinematics. I think everyone misses the CG endings if you're talking fan based nuances that people wish they had. Those cinematics were all memorable and timeless, and we don't have any new ones anymore. I think it would really complete DOA5 seeing all the improvement and editions it has had. But ANOTHER RAIDOU?! RAIDOU AIN'T EVEN OUT YET?! I don't care for a DOA Edgemaster/Dural zomg all fighting styles, but if we were going to have one, fine Raidou, the established first evil villain boss of the first game, Honoka? Uhm. No thanks.
God and their plot device reasoning allowing Honoka to be a thing is soooo mind numbingly stupid. You're telling me scientists slaved away at making clones and following through with experiments, fiddling with DNA from all the greatest fighters in the known universe for genetic-modification perfection in order to create THE MOST POWERFUL FIGHTER IN THE WORLD just to be trounced by some random japanese girl that is able to mimic all the moves she sees perfectly like a damn Sharingan from Naruto!? Fuck off, man.
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RetroMe91
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So have we learned what the preorder bonuses are for Amazon and/or PSN yet? I'd like to know where to preorder from sooner rather than later. From what I have seen, I would rather go with Best Buy thus far (Showstopper Encore over Aloha/Ninja, which tells you I absolutely hate the stupid flower necklace swimsuits). I would like to have the Newcomer pack since they have the least amount of costumes thus far (out of the females anyway). Hoping that Amazon has the newcomer since I would prefer a physical copy.
Oh and for arguments sake;
Anybody still think they look similar? Cause I sure as hell don't.
Marie's face has slightly more weight, because she looks like a child, and she has smaller boobs. Why did we have to pick on marie? This is what we get for picking on Marie. Oh well, at least Marie will no longer be known as "the jailbait." Now if someone picks on you for marie, you can just say "if that was the case, i'd be using honoka."
IIRC, I think of the digital versions have the Newcomers preorder DLC.
Squizzo
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@Brute @Rikuto @CyberEvil @Mr. Wah
May I ask why this thread has been moved to the Honoka forum? This thread is supposed to be for discussion of all new characters in last round, not just Honoka.
Had some time to calm down after that reveal and I still feel pretty much the same. Really disappointed by Honoka. She looks good but why make her a clone character when we just got Raidou for that job. What a shame that neither of the new characters are ACTUALLY NEW. I don't understand why they would bother making a new unique character from scratch and not give her a unique move set. It just seems to me by adding two characters who use some of the casts most iconic moves it just makes the rest of the cast a little less unique. I understand why they did this with Raidou but Honoka really deserved her own move set.
May I ask why this thread has been moved to the Honoka forum? This thread is supposed to be for discussion of all new characters in last round, not just Honoka.
Had some time to calm down after that reveal and I still feel pretty much the same. Really disappointed by Honoka. She looks good but why make her a clone character when we just got Raidou for that job. What a shame that neither of the new characters are ACTUALLY NEW. I don't understand why they would bother making a new unique character from scratch and not give her a unique move set. It just seems to me by adding two characters who use some of the casts most iconic moves it just makes the rest of the cast a little less unique. I understand why they did this with Raidou but Honoka really deserved her own move set.
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RoboJoe
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This so much.
It's because nobody cares about Raidou. I don't mean that as a knock to Raidou, just stating what I see here. When's the last time anybody even mentioned him here?
Migrate all Honoka discussion to the new Honoka general discussion thread. Thank you.
http://www.freestepdodge.com/threads/promise-me-you-wont-tell-anyone-honoka-general-discussion.5181/
http://www.freestepdodge.com/threads/promise-me-you-wont-tell-anyone-honoka-general-discussion.5181/
You know this'll make DoA6 interesting. I am curious how that'll turn out, but i think i can predict from here that the storyline changes into the ninjas having to keep her from getting kidnapped.
Kronin
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Oh and for arguments sake;
Anybody still think they look similar? Cause I sure as hell don't.
Let's put aside this matter please, yesterday was already close to become an argument to ban for causing bad reactions from people. Personally I saw the two charas differently and this feeling was just increased with the recent pictures and video, but in the end IMO it's all a matter of subjective perception. TN definitely made use of elements from MR's model (or maybe not, but inspirated partially the design of Honoka to MR in some phases of the creative process) and it's this that made many people to make immediately a comparison between the two. Now, putting aside the objective elements, at this point depends really from the different vision of each one in what measure the two characters appear similar or less, exactly how sometimes various people are able to see a different degree of resemblance with our parents (but your physical traits are anyway always the same, of course XD). So under this matter I don't consider who disagree with my opinion more right or wrong than me..
It's not a question to care or not to care, after that Raidou was revealed (and you don't get new infos or materials on him), to see a focus on the new female character was just something natural. If a such thread would have been created during the time of Marie Rose, Phase 4 and Nyotengu, we would have seen exactly the same process.
Chapstick
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Why, this thread is already for talking about her and it's in her subforum
Because this thread was originally for all possible new characters, not just Honoka. The general discussion thread is about Honoka only. I could see if only posts about Honoka was moved to her subform, but the entire thread was moved here.
Because someone felt like moving it here. Probably Mr. Wah. I wasn't awake.
David Gregg
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Well I'm glad we got the trailer early! From a design standpoint I really like her. But watching her gameplay I feel pretty meh about her. She's not a Mokujin type but yeah she is like a female Raidou. I get the sense the character was rushed to meet the deadline and it was easier to just give her a bunch of existing moves and call it a day. I think I will at least try her out (I use Hitomi and Jann Lee frequently).
Kronin
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For the last time. Phase 4 is NOT execution heavy.
This is Execution heavy:
:[[h+p+k]]::b360::f360::b360::f360:
Destruction, I believe that with Phase 4 being heavy in execution, people are simply meaning the strict "timing". I know that technically execution heavy meant something different (as Hayate's Raijin or Raidous' throws).
@David Gregg If Honoka make a wise use of the stances of the different fighters, even liking Raidou I've to admit that she is much more than a female version of him, rather a real evolution.
Cadaveri
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Atleast she slightly looks like the age she is given unlike MR. But..
I have a big problem with the character(I hated Marie Rose for the same reason):
BUT, theres good news aswell. Rachel loose hair confirmed
I have a big problem with the character(I hated Marie Rose for the same reason):
BUT, theres good news aswell. Rachel loose hair confirmed
Number 13
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Well in the end she ended up being disappointing. At least Marie Rose had a unique enough fighting style for DoA, but don't really care for another mimic centric character. Shame since they could have used her glowing hand motif to get creative, but obviously copying preexisting animations makes the job infinitely easier.
I did laugh at the Marie Rose tag into, "Why am I so hot?" victory, and her "milk" outfit to emphasize that she has the biggest tits in the game which shows at least TN pulled the humor right.
I did laugh at the Marie Rose tag into, "Why am I so hot?" victory, and her "milk" outfit to emphasize that she has the biggest tits in the game which shows at least TN pulled the humor right.