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TheIndustrialCowboy

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I've thought about it more, and it's beginning to seem to me that a very deliberate choice has been made to withhold NiCO, Christie, Rachel, Lisa, and Mila from DOAXVV. I suspect Koei Tecmo might be planning to wait until the next installment of Venus Vacation, and I wouldn't be surprised if they decide to release this next installment around the same time as DOA7. This strategy would allow them to cross-promote both games.
 

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I've thought about it more, and it's beginning to seem to me that a very deliberate choice has been made to withhold NiCO, Christie, Rachel, Lisa, and Mila from DOAXVV. I suspect Koei Tecmo might be planning to wait until the next installment of Venus Vacation, and I wouldn't be surprised if they decide to release this next installment around the same time as DOA7. This strategy would allow them to cross-promote both games.
There's a couple of problems with that theory: 1. DOA7 hasn't even gotten any evidence of even being in the planning stages (if it were, we'd at least see a registered trademark by now), and 2., We already GOT a next installment of DOAXVV, Venus Vacation Prism, and not only does it not include the remaining four cut girls plus NiCO, it if anything cut even MORE girls than before (in fact, the only mainline DOA girl to even be in the game was Honoka).
 

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There's a couple of problems with that theory: 1. DOA7 hasn't even gotten any evidence of even being in the planning stages (if it were, we'd at least see a registered trademark by now), and 2., We already GOT a next installment of DOAXVV, Venus Vacation Prism, and not only does it not include the remaining four cut girls plus NiCO, it if anything cut even MORE girls than before (in fact, the only mainline DOA girl to even be in the game was Honoka).
Prism is not the next installment of XVV, it's a spin-off. Two completely different games with completely different mechanics.
 

otnesse

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Prism is not the next installment of XVV, it's a spin-off. Two completely different games with completely different mechanics.
Regardless, there's no mention of a new DOA7, or for that matter an ACTUAL new installment for DOAXVV (and considering we had that Summer Games Showcase recently, if we were to have either game, they would have teased the two by now.).
 

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Regardless, there's no mention of a new DOA7, or for that matter an ACTUAL new installment for DOAXVV (and considering we had that Summer Games Showcase recently, if we were to have either game, they would have teased the two by now.).

Do you actually believe that Koei Tecmo would should show a new DOA at Summer Games?

Cowboy is right. They marked Prism as a new IP and there actually is DOA evidence from the leaker that correctly predicted three games in a row (RotR, NG4, N3).

Saying “it would have happened by now” not only contradicts the wait from DOA4 to DOA5, but it also doesn’t make sense to say that in this industry where anything can happen at anytime.
 

otnesse

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Do you actually believe that Koei Tecmo would should show a new DOA at Summer Games?

Cowboy is right. They marked Prism as a new IP and there actually is DOA evidence from the leaker that correctly predicted three games in a row (RotR, NG4, N3).

Saying “it would have happened by now” not only contradicts the wait from DOA4 to DOA5, but it also doesn’t make sense to say that in this industry where anything can happen at anytime.
Regarding DOA4 and DOA5, the only reason there even WAS a DOA5 was because of Dead or Alive Paradise as well as Dimensions. Let's not forget, according to Yasushi Nakamura, the art director for Dead or Alive Paradise, the game was primarily created to test the waters to see if a new entry for Dead or Alive was even viable as well as broadening appeals. And Paradise was obviously successful in that front since it led to Dimensions and especially DOA5. We haven't really had anything like that since Dead or Alive 6 (Dead or Alive Xtreme Venus Vacation was made BEFORE Dead or Alive 6 was announced, and in fact, Leifang was partly added to XVV to promote Dead or Alive 6 as made clear by Sakuta).

And let's not forget we knew there was an Xtreme 3 due to release prior to official announcement because the trademark registration for that game got exposed as having been renewed that year.

Though if you say there's leaked evidence towards DOA7, I'm all ears.
 

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Dead or Alive 5 was ALWAYS in the cards. Look at the release dates.

Dead or Alive Paradise released March 30th, 2010. Dead or Alive Dimensions was released May 19th, 2011. Dead or Alive 5 released September 25th, 2012.

Both games were awful handheld games and both games sold poorly. Based on the dates provided there is no fathomable way in hell that DOAD was used to test the popularity of the franchise before DOA5.

DOA5 was being developed already when DOAD was being finished and released. We are talking about completely new stages, interacts, new characters, new animation. Your timeline doesn’t add up at all.

I didn’t say DOA7 either. It could have been DOA6 Plus. There are unused DOA assets. We can definitely confirm that I think.

The leap from mainstay console games regardless of what you believe has not been longer than the wait from DOA4-DOA5 and people are already bitching because that’s what people do.

The reason we haven’t gotten DOA7 is because the relationship between the community and the publisher is TERRIBLE.

Literally the only community to blame KT for everything and then they expect a new game after talking a bunch of shit.

The hair thing was the only thing worth bitching about. Soul Cal is in the same fucking boat as DOA. But people always want to act like DOA is the only dead one. Byyyyyyeee on that shit.

DOAP and DOAD were quick handheld releases to establish control of the franchise that people believe solely belonged to Itagaki regardless if he was a part of the company or not.
 

otnesse

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Dead or Alive 5 was ALWAYS in the cards. Look at the release dates.

Dead or Alive Paradise released March 30th, 2010. Dead or Alive Dimensions was released May 19th, 2011. Dead or Alive 5 released September 25th, 2012.

Both games were awful handheld games and both games sold poorly. Based on the dates provided there is no fathomable way in hell that DOAD was used to test the popularity of the franchise before DOA5.

DOA5 was being developed already when DOAD was being finished and released. We are talking about completely new stages, interacts, new characters, new animation. Your timeline doesn’t add up at all.

I didn’t say DOA7 either. It could have been DOA6 Plus. There are unused DOA assets. We can definitely confirm that I think.

The leap from mainstay console games regardless of what you believe has not been longer than the wait from DOA4-DOA5 and people are already bitching because that’s what people do.

The reason we haven’t gotten DOA7 is because the relationship between the community and the publisher is TERRIBLE.

Literally the only community to blame KT for everything and then they expect a new game after talking a bunch of shit.

The hair thing was the only thing worth bitching about. Soul Cal is in the same fucking boat as DOA. But people always want to act like DOA is the only dead one. Byyyyyyeee on that shit.

DOAP and DOAD were quick handheld releases to establish control of the franchise that people believe solely belonged to Itagaki regardless if he was a part of the company or not.
Want to contradict what was said, take it to Nakamura. All I'm doing is relaying what he said:


He specifically said, and I quote:

"Dead or Alive has a bit of a history. It's been around for a while and the fans have grown with the series. With this title, Dead or Alive Paradise, we're looking at resetting that. We're trying to get new fans, people who aren't familiar with the series, and cast the net wide for people who might be looking for something different."

If he had failed, then plans for DOA5 or not, they would have declared Chapter 11 Bankruptcy for terrible sales. It's happened before, just look at Factor 5 and Lair, or Acclaim and BMX-XXX (also "Name your kid Turok").
 

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Doesn’t the first paragraph actually reinforce what I say? It was a reset for the series situation, not a if Paradise works we will get DOA5 situation.

Now I know there are people out there that like DOAD (I just didn’t like it at all personally) and that’s cool, but DOAP? lol. That game was undisputed crap.
 

otnesse

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Doesn’t the first paragraph actually reinforce what I say? It was a reset for the series situation, not a if Paradise works we will get DOA5 situation.

Now I know there are people out there that like DOAD (I just didn’t like it at all personally) and that’s cool, but DOAP? lol. That game was undisputed crap.
Yeah, and a reset would naturally imply taking the series to a new direction while still continuing to exist, which a failure would result in the overall series being declared a Chapter 11 bankruptcy and shut down (aka, ceasing to exist, period, no matter what their plans were). That's happened before. BMX-XXX was literally a victim of what Nakamura described, given lots of crass sexualization, including a strip club mode and topless biking, all in an attempt to gear it to go a new direction, and that ended up being one of, if not THE final nail in not only BMX as a whole, but even Acclaim itself (with their prior stunt of telling parents to name their kids after Turok beforehand as a marketing campaign for their Turok games not helping matters either). A similar story existed with Lair, which was announced with Factor 5 banking on their reputation via the Rogue Squadron to have it succeed while going in a different direction, but it was so poorly developed that if anything caused Factor 5 to shut down, alongside litigation lawsuits from its North American Branch.

And I could care less about Dead or Alive Paradise (heck, some of the stuff from that and Xtreme 2 wasn't even that good, and the whole masturbating bit may have ultimately done a disservice ultimately, though I'd ultimately still take that over gutting the girls looks in DOA6), I'm just pointing out that DOAP and DOAD ultimately DID cause DOA5 to occur (obviously, if they failed, Team Ninja would have declared Chapter 11. I know I would have in their situation if DOAP bombed like you said it did. See the returns turn out badly, publicize that Team Ninja's shutting down, no more games in DOA, Ninja Gaiden, literally anything we make.).
 

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I’m just pointing out (and respectfully if I might add) that you are wrong. All three projects were being worked on at the same time and went through a planning phase. DOAP wasn’t even in-house TMK.

I actually can’t say for sure DOAP was still being worked on during DOA5 alpha developing but given the planning phases of developers now look five to seven year into the future (which was proven in Team NINJA’s case by Phil Spencer himself) it was at least known by TN that DOA5 was happening.

That would probably determine the poor quality of the game. The camera was broken and buggy, their were sound issues, annoying hiccups and it had the worst jaggies I can remember in any DOA title.

That game was made to show you the Itagaki quality in terms of visual will never be present again. DOAX2 stomps a mud hole into DOAP. DOAX2 was a work of art.

I would go as far to say that DOA6 looked fine, but it had some issues I didn’t like. Visibly webbed armpits on some of the characters such as Leifang, and the belly buttons were a bit on the odd side.

The negatives put aside DOA6 had some nice color to it, and some characters looked better than others, but I don’t want to offend any character loyalists. The males clearly didn’t have the same budget as the female characters.
 
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