Online vs. Offline in DOA5: DOA4 All Over Again...
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I'll give you 1. Loki vs Allan Paris. Loki said that he can beat Allan Paris or any other high level player for that matter & called himself the #1 Ayane. He talked his ass off about it & don't go to majors! Ok he EVEN SAID IN THE FACEBOOK group! Allan Paris ran into him online & challenged him to 1st to 10 matches... With a garbage ass connection! & Still beat him! If you want the videos, there're on youtube. lol... Now I don't know what other proof you're looking for, but if that don't prove you wrong, then I dont know what kind of answer you're looking for.
I don't have proof of what? I've been playing this game online since it came out and I've played offline and I know how different the game is offline. I don't need to prove anything. Go play online and then go play offline. If you can't see it you're just blind and choosing to be ignorant. Do you even play offline?
Also how having a ONLINE tournament will prove anything? I mean you may have a "decent" connection(whatever that may mean online) with one player, and have a completely crappy connection with another. How do that justify where you will actually place in a tournament? You saying no one has "proof" or no one know what they're talking about. Do YOU know what you're talking about? Considering you're trying to defend online in this debate shows other wise. I don't even like the FGC and will admit if they saw this discussion they have a right to laugh at players taking online serious.
Offline>Online is FACT when it comes to playing competitively. The sooner people get that the better.
EDIT: Also. Every Top DOA player was a online player at some point. You think they'll agree that online=offline? No. They will tell you that is a stupid assumption. Only those that have no experience in the competitive community will think that. People who play DOA5 online winning offline does not justify online play being competitive. It's not competitive and it never will be.
Sam Sultan
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How is this a proof of online meaning nothing?
Well i can backup my statement with actual physical evidence and you can't this discussion can be compared very well with the discussion between religious people and scientist. Religious people make a statement and expect you to belief it scientist make a statement and back it up with evidence. Your reaction is almost 100% identical to the reaction of a priest if you would ask him to prove that god exists, guess what they don't have any proof.
@raansu
Doa5 is a different game from any other doa you can't use the results of other games to prove your statement about this game. But i'm interested could you give me an example of an top online player who won against certain people online but when he/she turned up on an offline tournament he got his a** kicked by the same players who he was beating online? If you can please do.
Because HE saying the same thing you're saying right now. Except you haven't made any claims about being a top online player. He puts emphasis on ranked, won't go to major tourneys, puts a lot shit on the screen saying stuff like " I can beat you but why I gotta prove myself" (just like you're pretty much saying). He says " I can own you" but at the end of the day, it's all talk, & no show. Allan Paris on the other hand, plays online & does pretty well with connect but nobody does good with bad connection & HAS BEEN to tournaments & placed high from time to time. That's how it means something.
You haven't did anything Their is a reason why your "opinion" isn't very popular. It's because you're stating "opinions" and not "facts". Saying "this person played online and made it this far offline" doesn't mean jack. It doesn't make online relevant in the form of being competitive. Most people don't even know how to play DOA5 yet although it been out for this long. Do you know why? Because majority of the players are playing online under crappy conditions. People like you are one of the reasons this community is plagued like it is. If everyone thought like you this series would have been dead a long time ago.
Sam Sultan
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What i was trying to say here was that you could use the results of an offline tournament and compare them with an online tournament and see how far the results match each other and then use the outcome of this to figure out whether the difference between offline and online really matter that much.
Sam Sultan
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Sorry but this is no proof of online meaning nothing since what your saying is that an online player who claimed to be better than someone lost to him under crappy online connection and you are using this to prove what exactly? That AP is so much better than lokki because he beat him under crappy conditions? That may be so but how is this a proof of online meaning nothing?
If someone is very good because he played online a lot and he beat good players online all the time and the decides to show up on a offline tournament and he ends up beating all these players(remember no offline experience what so ever) who he also beat online in an offline tournament how is this not a proof of the statement that i make which is "Online should be taken seriously".
Why would this series be dead a long time ago if people would take online seriously?
NightAntilli
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He asked for an example of someone who was supposedly good online and turned out to be bad offline. That's the proof he's asking for since the first page, and as of yet, he's still waiting.
This sure sounds inviting and lovely... Can't wait to join your cause...
This is what I was talking about.. And then you people wonder why others don't want to listen. This attitude has to go. If you claim you're so knowledgeable, you should be able to explain things without resorting to aggressiveness. Going around calling people a nobody and saying they would be a good riddance is not exactly the best way to make them understand something. People are only open to understanding something when they are not in defense mode. By putting them there, you're achieving the exact opposite of what you want. Well.. Assuming you want the community of this game to grow anyway, because sometimes it really looks as if that's not really the goal here, but something else.
Enough with the "you people." We're all posting on the same site. We all play the same game. You're a part of this community whether you want to admit it or not. If you'd like to forcibly separate yourself, snap your game in half and I'll do you the honor of bouncing you out of here as well. If not, start operating under the knowledge that since we all are a part of this community, we all have an equal say. Qualified or not, this forum is a place for you to speak up. As soon as someone gets salty and snippy with someone, people are going to keyboard commando the fuck up and get back. That's what happens online and it's not exclusive to the DoA community.
Nobody responds to flamebait in here after my post. If I see it, your post gets removed and you get a warning. If you have a problem with something that somebody else posted, report the post and we'll take a look at it. You "manning up" and throwing it back at someone is just going to escalate and accomplish nothing. Again, keyboard commandos. Unless you can make eye contact with the person you are arguing with, nobody is going to back down. So enough.
Nobody responds to flamebait in here after my post. If I see it, your post gets removed and you get a warning. If you have a problem with something that somebody else posted, report the post and we'll take a look at it. You "manning up" and throwing it back at someone is just going to escalate and accomplish nothing. Again, keyboard commandos. Unless you can make eye contact with the person you are arguing with, nobody is going to back down. So enough.
DR2K
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There are online warriors in other fighting games as well.
Of course there are. Do they get recognize or respected? No.
Adamleelight
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Pretty damn sure Maximilian does.
DR2K
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Some sure as hell act like they should be. Like a few of the fellows in this community.
Some people take "words" on the screen too serious & not alotta people are willing to listen to reasoning. This is why the topic is made although you make a good point as far "understanding". But the fact is people won't listen & understand & won't even try to understand... Just saying..
It's actually worse with this community because at least for those games people show up.
Can I just say that I think this is a terrible way to approach the issue, strategically?
Ardent online warriors will always be online warriors; pendantic online rants about a chest-beating, yet often invisible, minority are not the way to go. Discrediting shades of responses and reactions to online play that even begin to rationalize its usefulness, more in tone than in literal translation, hardly help either. Worse, it actually is highly off putting to those who either are currently ambivalent or merely not fully converted into making hyperbolic statements about a presumed mass of "other".
If you don't want to repeat discussions from historical pasts, it's not good to bring your gripe up the same way, in the same tone.
Ardent online warriors will always be online warriors; pendantic online rants about a chest-beating, yet often invisible, minority are not the way to go. Discrediting shades of responses and reactions to online play that even begin to rationalize its usefulness, more in tone than in literal translation, hardly help either. Worse, it actually is highly off putting to those who either are currently ambivalent or merely not fully converted into making hyperbolic statements about a presumed mass of "other".
If you don't want to repeat discussions from historical pasts, it's not good to bring your gripe up the same way, in the same tone.
Because after the fact ElectrifiedMann did well in an offline tourney major, DrDogg STILL berated him in the good/bad games thread. Not only that, but he gave other innocent people flak too, despite not being directly sent any hatemail. Tokkosho's a good example.
This rubs many newcomers and unmotivated online players the wrong way (especially those who've known ElecMan for quite some time), and gives them a reason not to believe the more experienced offline competitive players are not being elitist when they say they're not trying to be. This is why Virtua Mima was upset with DrDogg and currently doesn't think very highly of him a few days back. Hell, this is probably why Steady G is feeling uneasy with the community as a whole.
Sure, you can say they need to "grow a backbone" all you like, but can you honestly expect that from just everyone? Hell no. They'll just look the other direction. Whether you want to accept it or not, people handle things in different ways. If people don't mind the harshness, more power to them. But at the same time, be more vigilant at acting more welcoming, 'cause not everyone was born being treated harshly when they did nothing wrong.
If people that are supposed to lead by example just took a chill pill and stop writing diaries about how frustrated they were playing someone online when that someone didn't do jack shit other than play said person for fun, maybe people will come to terms about things like this much quicker than usual. Collect your thoughts before you take obvious online frustrations out on innocent people. You never know, that could be one more person you demotivated to travel offline.
If this sounds like "flamebait" to you mods, then that's on y'all. That's not my intention, and I hope you understand that. I had to get that off my chest. It's been on my mind for quite some time now, and it's what I seriously felt in my heart I had to get out there, because to some extent, I believe it's part of the cause of the current discord at hand.
You'd be surprised, Soul Calibur had much the same issue in each of their games when they released for online play. I remember even 3S having similar discussions on Shoryuken for it. Also, the ST players talk about how the game on GGPO still lags (with GGPO!) and the best way to emulate offline game timings and reactions is to slow the game down to Turbo 1 when the competitive offline play is to set to Turbo 3.
So no, you get online players who are comfortable making claims they are the best players because of online play and they have no motivation to go offline. In the end, there's nothing wrong with that because the online version of games are not the same as the offline version.
However, that's not to say that you can't use online to practice the basic concepts of the game. I know Damdai was an ST player who played online in HDR to make a name for himself, but no one would take him seriously until he started showing up offline to play at the purest connection speed and is now regarded as one of the top three Super Street Fighter II Turbo players in the country. He used the features of online play to help up his game but even he knew that in order to take it to that next level he needed more time playing it offline with other players who had been playing the game for years.
It's been 10 years and people are still arguing about this. Online players who want the same respect as those who put their money, time, and lives on the line to support their community, and are upset when they aren't given it.
Guys, grow up. Just play the fucking game. Whichever version of it you want to play.
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