Until the game comes out and you see the real reception this is only speculation. How do you know 100% that the game will die? Why would investors pay for a company to fail? Like I said, use your wallets to voice your opinion. In the end though, I still think this is a profitable endeavor for Team Ninja / Koei Tecmo or they wouldn't be wasting their time. It's the same reason why they ported Warriors Orochi 3 Ultimate to current generation, profits. The term milking comes to mind to get ever dollar out before they have to work on DOA6. It also makes sense because the time frame between DOA4 and DOA5 was a pretty long duration. More profits spread across that seven year lull probably makes the expense of DOA5 look better to investors.
Now you're putting words into my mouth. I said that it would go up in flames, not that it would die. The big difference is, to go up in flames implies everything ends up a chaotic mess. And there's a difference between it actually being profitable and what they think will be profitable. This is why once popular games end up crashing and burning. Look at Star fox, because a half-naked fox lady and putting zelda gameplay to starfox sounded (and still kinda does) like a very profitable decision.
The point I was trying to get across is that people don't want to spend money for a new console. That's one of the huge arguments going on within the community. One argument is the feeling that they are lying about what is actually capable in the last generation consoles. The other argument is having to pay "admission" for the better version. My question is did the community complain when DOA5U came out or when Plus came out? They are literally doing the same thing here.
I wasn't really here for that change, because, at the time, a ps3 wasn't worth my investment. I was still playing solo on dimensions.
I started my response with in my opinion. In my opinion I feel like it is idiotic. If you perceive that as having no argument then so be it. I was just throwing my thoughts out there of why certain features are in it and why some aren't. I also didn't criticize about programming. I said do we have all the knowledge, do we have dev kits, etc. I know nothing of programming, I am not a programmer. I bet there are gamers out there that do understand it like yourself but there is also the flip side that others like myself do not. I get it that you said you have a lot of experience and that's great. You still said you are a dev kit and LR source code away from having proof. So until you have proof it is all speculation of what the last generation console version is actually capable of.
However, unlike hearsay, I am using knowledge and experience. It's all about shaders, poly-counts, and texture filters (which are probably in the shaders anyway). Although i do see the potential power that "playing dress-up" actually has on a match (though it's really dirty), i don't see that feature as that important. However, it's a picture perfect example of lies. If a given costume works, mixing it up doesn't add many (if any) polies to the mix. Making a preview can't lag the system any more than if it were to have a stage, because there are significantly less polies when you're not trying to render onto a stage (character selection screen). The only way is if they have no idea how to optimize and write a really bloated preview system, which i highly doubt given TN's track record.
The last generation port of Last Round doesn't stop working. It still works, it just doesn't have as many features. Last Round is a working model for both current generation and last generation. The argument is that one is considered premium, it has more features. The $10 price difference is proof that Team Ninja / Koei Tecmo views it as the same. I never said anything about your car not working, all I said was that one will have more features. Also no one is telling you to buy an expensive pass to play a game. You purchase a console to play multiple games, not just one. Some of us who don't have a current generation console might see this as an opportunity to play more current generation games. And like I said earlier, DOA6 will be on current generation anyways.
I noticed the game wouldn't let me start up Core Fighters when my internet went heywire for a few seconds. It's important to note that they can "shut down the servers" at any time to "make room" for "higher demand." And, if i were to buy a ps4 right now, it would only be for DoA. If it wasn't the case for many others, they most likely wouldn't even care about the issue, because the admission price is divided between all the games they want. I explained this to my girlfriend when i was trying to explain why a WiiU is a bad investment right now (for the amount of games me and here would even consider on it, it'd be an extra 30 dollars per game). However, unlike the WiiU, PS4 charges for internet, which they could easily make into a no-cost-manner. I'm not going to pay a monthly fee for something i may not even be able to use every month. And, it gets better, because it's still not decentralized (which would cost Sony NOTHING), they could shut off my game at any time. I'm sorry, Sony, but if i wanted to play that game, i'd own an xbox instead for the 2 or 3 more title's it has that you don't.
All of us were casuals at some point though! When the casual grow up just like we did, they will feel what we felt if what is happening to us also starts happening to them! I use to think DLC rants were outright ridiculous, but now I see they weren't - and I'm not one who purchased a crapload of a DLC either, but I understand where they are coming from.
As a casual with anything you are naive or completely oblivious to what is going on, but the minute you open your eyes. If this generation starts throwing stones like the last generation. It's a perpetual cycle - whether it's the businesses, consumers and in some cases both, perpetuating it!
I'm wishing LR well, too, but this is one of those: You went the wrong way about it moments! Of course, the casual is not going to care about the politics or dirty stuff that went on behind the scenes. However, don't think that such crap doesn't have an effect of some kind either.
This is the mistake that Namco made with ace combat. It's become a casuals game because the few people that took it seriously got alienated. I've loved the series, but i've played 2 games with the CRA system, and i'm not even trying the F2P game.
I never said it's fine that some players get screwed over. I said it sucks but the main thing for Team Ninja and Koei Tecmo is to make money. If that comes at the expense of some of their fans so be it. I don't agree with that standpoint but that's how most businesses operate. The bottom line is the most important thing for a company.
I mean I was in the camp that owned Vanilla DOA5. Loved it and when Plus came out that was a bit of a bummer that there were extra features. I did end up buying it but I only did so because I owned a Vita. I didn't go out of my way to purchase a Vita just to play Plus. But I understand the feeling. When ultimate came out it did resonate with me that it sucked you couldn't play with the Vanilla version. Thing is that I felt that the added items outweighed the negative (costumes, modes, characters, etc).
Don't get me wrong. I've bought every single iteration of Dead or Alive since DOA3 on Xbox. But the thing for me is that I only bought every title because I had the specific console that it was on. If I didn't own a Vita there is no way I would have purchased Plus.
I also don't think they released Ultimate because the community complained about Plus being specific to Sony. I think Ultimate was released because it made sense from a business standpoint. They essentially followed the same business model as Capcom. The DLC costumes also really helped with profits as well. That's why they keep releasing costume packs. People continue to buy them so Team Ninja will continue to churn them out. People bought Plus and Ultimate so what are they doing now? They are released Last Round because they know they can capture a large market with current generation consoles. The only big fighters currently on current generation are Killer Instinct and Injustice. They are releasing Last Round before big titles get dropped like the new Mortal Kombat or the inevitable Street Fighter Arcade port. Once again why are they doing this? PROFITS.
Haven't you heard the phrase money makes the world go round? Content being excluded is a direct correlation to money. They want you to buy the current generation version because more profits. Sure it can be viewed as a cop out on the part of the developer but it is a calculated cop out. They are purposely not including content because they want you to move onto the next iteration. That is all my argument consists of. They want to make the most money and it makes the most sense for them to invest in current generation hardware.
The problem is, alienating the loyal crowd that's advertising and hyping your game has a long-term effect. It's more like the get cash now scams. Only, the scammers are screwing themselves over.
This kind of sounds like a Microsoft only thing. The only thing that Injustice PS4 had over PS3 was better textures and the only difference between PS3 and PS4 Guilty Gear Xrd seems to be resolution output. Team Ninja would probably be able to satisfy Sony's requirement just through "teh softness engine". and 1080p. But, it seems like Microsoft is always throwing cogs in everyone's machines seeing as how Core Fighters didn't even happen for 360.
Pretty much. A charm of Sony is that you don't have the MS BS. So, sony sees MS pulling that crap, so it sends TK and a few others (that we're not paying attention to) a memo, and they think that because a big name like MS can get away with it, Sony can, too. And Sony wonders why they're having trouble pushing their new console.
I dunno, dude. Everywhere I look, it seems to be either rage or meh regarding the release of another installment just by looking at the comments sections of any given article. Genpop seems to be sick of fighting game re-releases in general. If anything, I think it's the hardcore ones that feel an obligation to buy it. My word isn't law or anything, though.
Accurate for the most part. I knw that my continued acceptance by the community obligates me. However, i'm no stranger to being an outcast, so i'm fine all the same. It's just really depressing seeing this all go down, though.
