I'm going to do the Honoka/Momiji stream on Friday at 3pm PST.
"Promise me, you won't tell anyone" Honoka General Discussion
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FreeStepDutch
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Yeah her range is awful, she's DOA whiff queen lol, I swear I see her limbs go through the opponent sometimes, I find it so hard to reach CQC for pressuring without getting countered. Lately I'm finishing my combos with 6KK so that I can do 2p to force wake-up and keep pressuring, otherwise it's an uphill battle to get back to CQC without being punished, and you don't lose much damage anyway.
Great to hear, a bit late for EU timezone but I'll try to adjust.
Great to hear, a bit late for EU timezone but I'll try to adjust.
KING JAIMY
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4K2 is also very good since it is +2 on block. So your opponent doesn't even have to whiff a move.
FreeStepDutch
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Yeah ive been using 4k and it's great, by far the best tool at mid-close range. I like p+k, p+k for getting in too, beats lots of pokes, gives you a great stun on CH and you can mixup 6t or another p+K when close.
KING JAIMY
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Yeah P+K is pretty good considering the fact that it is a natural combo, although the stun is not very deep and can be easily slow escaped. I think it has a better use for baiting holds, rather than to initiate your stun game.
FreeStepDutch
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I wish I knew, I didn't have the pre order bonus, I'll get it when it hits the store
FreeStepDutch
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Wow 
FreeStepDutch
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I've playing with the BKH stance and I've seen that with pp2k on hit, you can actually hold up to re-stand and punch safely, at least against another Honoka dummy I couldn't mash P or 6P against it, so it would open a mixup with BKH 6P that stuns (though it can be safe escaped), and it's on range for 6T if blocking. You can simply hold block backwards and honoka short range will miss it but pp hits, so it could be useful for at least keeping pressure, and having a pp string into low that's useful could make pp2p / ppk finally a bit more useful. I just hate BKH K that's such short range and leaves you open on whiff, and the rest of the options are mids. Probably I'm missing something here, but just sharing in case you didn't notice.
Dr Drake
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So i played DOA on a small Tourny last Weekend and i had a plenty of fun after i played alot of KI and MKX latly.
But im a bit bored of my characters (Tina, Ayane and Lisa) right now. Because i play since Vanillia and i played them since doa2 hardcore.
Thats why im thinking about learning a new one.
And stuck between a few choices and one is Honoka because i really attached to her boobs. This is maybe not the greatest reason but is like it is.
So my question is she a Solid character or is weak overall and is it worth learning her then because i dont have alot of time thats why i want to choose wisly.
greetings Tim
But im a bit bored of my characters (Tina, Ayane and Lisa) right now. Because i play since Vanillia and i played them since doa2 hardcore.
Thats why im thinking about learning a new one.
And stuck between a few choices and one is Honoka because i really attached to her boobs. This is maybe not the greatest reason but is like it is.
So my question is she a Solid character or is weak overall and is it worth learning her then because i dont have alot of time thats why i want to choose wisly.
greetings Tim
FreeStepDutch
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iHajinShinobi believes she's good, and he's a top player so you should listen to him. Check his guide here for her: http://www.freestepdodge.com/threads/honoka-video-tutorial-by-hajinshinobi.5569/
I've been maining her from day one and I would say she's mid tier at best. My biggest problem with her is learning to live without decent mid/low mixups, she almost doesn't have any. Besides her range is absolutely awful with her short limbs, so prepare to whiff a lot, so she suffers a lot against anyone with long limbs or great long range moves (ayane is hell for Honoka). She doesn't have a GTFO move , so better be good at countering. Damage is decent though and she has a really fast jab. I'm relatively new to DOA5 so take my opinion for what it's worth, but for all those reasons she's not very accessible. Key for learning her is having a perfect knowledge of the range of her tools, since they are really limited.
For anyone willing to learn her my best advices are:
- 6T is your objective. Huge frame advantage that let you open her offense, amazing range. Most of your offense should be based on conditioning the opponent with close range pressure to force him to block and then 6T. Check http://www.freestepdodge.com/threads/better-safe-than-sorry-honokas-block-dis-advantage.5554/ for frame traps.
-She has limited tools that are really useful. Stick to 6k/2p/p in close range (6p is good but whiffs a lot even close), 4k/3pp/1p mid range, 3h+k/236p/236k, p+k,p,p at long range. Running p+k/h+k are great from very far.
-Her best strings are ppp mixups, pp2pp/pp2k, pppk (frame trap), 3ppp, p+kpp, pp2k/pp6p, 6k2k/6kk
-She has fantastic mobility, great walk speed, korean backdash and really fast dash, so use that to your advantage. SS K is good too.
-Her execution level is very low, most of her more damaging combos can be learn in a day.
At this point I feel quite solid with her and I do decently online, but it seems to me that TN gave her lots of tools that were apparently really good and has nerfed her heavily just in case she turned too good. She didn't, or at least that's my opinion.
And yeah her boobs are fantastic
I've been maining her from day one and I would say she's mid tier at best. My biggest problem with her is learning to live without decent mid/low mixups, she almost doesn't have any. Besides her range is absolutely awful with her short limbs, so prepare to whiff a lot, so she suffers a lot against anyone with long limbs or great long range moves (ayane is hell for Honoka). She doesn't have a GTFO move , so better be good at countering. Damage is decent though and she has a really fast jab. I'm relatively new to DOA5 so take my opinion for what it's worth, but for all those reasons she's not very accessible. Key for learning her is having a perfect knowledge of the range of her tools, since they are really limited.
For anyone willing to learn her my best advices are:
- 6T is your objective. Huge frame advantage that let you open her offense, amazing range. Most of your offense should be based on conditioning the opponent with close range pressure to force him to block and then 6T. Check http://www.freestepdodge.com/threads/better-safe-than-sorry-honokas-block-dis-advantage.5554/ for frame traps.
-She has limited tools that are really useful. Stick to 6k/2p/p in close range (6p is good but whiffs a lot even close), 4k/3pp/1p mid range, 3h+k/236p/236k, p+k,p,p at long range. Running p+k/h+k are great from very far.
-Her best strings are ppp mixups, pp2pp/pp2k, pppk (frame trap), 3ppp, p+kpp, pp2k/pp6p, 6k2k/6kk
-She has fantastic mobility, great walk speed, korean backdash and really fast dash, so use that to your advantage. SS K is good too.
-Her execution level is very low, most of her more damaging combos can be learn in a day.
At this point I feel quite solid with her and I do decently online, but it seems to me that TN gave her lots of tools that were apparently really good and has nerfed her heavily just in case she turned too good. She didn't, or at least that's my opinion.
And yeah her boobs are fantastic
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Dr Drake
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iHajinShinobi believes she's good, and he's a top player so you should listen to him. Check his guide here for her: http://www.freestepdodge.com/threads/honoka-video-tutorial-by-hajinshinobi.5569/
I've been maining her from day one and I would say she's mid tier at best. My biggest problem with her is learning to live without decent mid/low mixups, she almost doesn't have any. Besides her range is absolutely awful with her short limbs, so prepare to whiff a lot, so she suffers a lot against anyone with long limbs or great long range moves (ayane is hell for Honoka). She doesn't have a GTFO move , so better be good at countering. Damage is decent though and she has a really fast jab. I'm relatively new to DOA5 so take my opinion for what it's worth, but for all those reasons she's not very accessible. Key for learning her is having a perfect knowledge of the range of her tools, since they are really limited.
For anyone willing to learn her my best advices are:
- 6T is your objective. Huge frame advantage that let you open her offense, amazing range. Most of your offense should be based on conditioning the opponent with close range pressure to force him to block and then 6T. Check http://www.freestepdodge.com/threads/better-safe-than-sorry-honokas-block-dis-advantage.5554/ for frame traps.
-She has limited tools that are really useful. Stick to 6k/2p/p in close range (6p is good but whiffs a lot even close), 4k/3pp/1p mid range, 3h+k/236p/236k, p+k,p,p at long range. Running p+k/h+k are great from very far.
-Her best strings are ppp mixups, pp2pp/pp2k, pppk (frame trap), 3ppp, p+kpp, pp2k/pp6p, 6k2k/6kk
-She has fantastic mobility, great walk speed, korean backdash and really fast dash, so use that to your advantage. SS K is good too.
-Her execution level is very low, most of her more damaging combos can be learn in a day.
At this point I feel quite solid with her and I do decently online, but it seems to me that TN gave her lots of tools that were apparently really good and has nerfed her heavily just in case she turned too good. She didn't, or at least that's my opinion.
And yeah her boobs are fantastic
Ty for your answer. I think I'll check her out sounds solid enough for me.
FreeStepDutch
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Ty for your answer. I think I'll check her out sounds solid enough for me.
Cool, great to hear. She's a lot of fun to play but I had to warn you about the pros and cons, I hope you share any new tech you may find. I have uploaded a few vids to my channel here just in case you want to see how I play her, nothing fancy but it can be useful as a starting point: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCudn0IkWhvrOsJZ2ky2eNpw/videos
splslick
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Anyone know any good Honoka players outside of @iHajinShinobi....Im trying to pick this character up so I want to see how people have been using her
Tenryuga
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splslick
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F out of here...Go play EinMyself. Set up a session and I'll show you .
After spending some extended time with Honoka, a character I've had an off again and on again relationship with, I have reached a point where I feel pretty decent with her. Then again, she's only for casual play and I would probably never use her in tournament play. I do enjoy her mainly because she is a CQC kind of character and using the copy & paste moves in her combos is actually pretty fun. Though, once I figured out the game plan with her, it made me want to actually use the characters she got moves from. Though a lot of the characters she have moves from, I don't really use, most notably Jann Lee, Zack, Christie, Bass, and Helena.