Say whaaaaat? What is going on here?
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Allan Paris
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Yeah, if you have a lot of people that could take forever. For it to work, you could shorten up the sets people play but, it would take the fun away from playing.
Yeah, the tournament he rigged for $10k. That one.
I'm supposed to call out the people chosen and not the people doing the choosing? Do you not see the lack of logic?
You only say that because he's said it so many times that people like you believe him. If you actually put together your tournament ladder then you'd see this isn't actually the case.
Based on some of his more recent posts, he doesn't seem very knowledgeable.
Wouldn't touch it with yours.
Blacka Blocka Flocka
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Maaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaan. Same ol' shit, different day.
Relius Starkiller
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Yeah, where I'm from we like to throw around big words. . .like, "Accountability", maybe you've heard of it? See, the people who choose are only 50% of the equation. The CHOSEN have to accept the selection - whether they are or not deserved, its their RESPONSIBILITY to do the right thing.
Go back through the old DOAC site and you'll realize that if Master is there, hes winning or placing top 3. On top of that he had the best record during the CGS season 1 and he won both CGI events. He came in second at Evo in 06, he either wins or places at DID every year (which is the biggest drawing tournament in the community), and on and on.
The only other guy who's close is Offbeat because he won a DID and WCG in 06 but don't get it twisted Master has the better overall competitive record. PL has technically won more tournaments than both of them but most of his came via smaller events (12 or less). We could get into the money matches too Grap3 - he walks away from every tournament plus money no matter what.
This is just you being cute. Master has a more comprehensive DOA knowledge base than you as evidenced by the fact that I never see him looking to someone else for clarification on things from DOA past - like you.
Is the way he goes about justifying Hayabusa's bullshit self-serving? In my estimation it is but if you wanna call crackers on his BS then how about you look at some of the inane reasoning Sorwah puts out there for why Bass's infinite's are fair game in 3.1 or how Rikuto puffs out his chest when talking about Bayman's advanced counters that take 40% to 50% of your life bar if he GUESSES right.
But you'd never do that because you're a tool.
If my penis got anywhere near the chick I'd make it so she couldn't walk right for a few hours.
Relius Starkiller
Active Member
Actually, he came in 1st in DOAD - of course not many people had been playing the game seriously at the time but, on a technicality, Relius is right.
CGI number one was definitely fixed, though not by Manny. I had just as much of a say in who went to that one as Manny did. If you're going to blame somebody for fixing CGI, blame me or Morris. Manny was actually good enough to deserve being there, which is more than most of us at the time could say. I was just in it for the free alcohol, cash, and fun of it all. That was hardly a serious tournament.
If anybody could name a single legitimate tournament that he fixed, I'm all ears. I may not be a fan of all of Manny's decisions, but I honestly have been behind the scenes enough to know that there has never been any rigging of his tournaments. He made a mistake most recently with Rikuto getting fucked over in the brackets of the last DID but I honestly do think that one was a mistake.
If anybody could name a single legitimate tournament that he fixed, I'm all ears. I may not be a fan of all of Manny's decisions, but I honestly have been behind the scenes enough to know that there has never been any rigging of his tournaments. He made a mistake most recently with Rikuto getting fucked over in the brackets of the last DID but I honestly do think that one was a mistake.
Rikuto
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Here is the problem with Manny.
He KNOWS why people don't like him. He KNOWS the foul shit he's done over the years and refuses to acknowledge it. His own friends openly say that there's shit he he's done but will never publicly admit to. But most of all, he is continuing to do it to this day with absolutely no intention of stopping, while convincing guys like Swoozie to basically openly brag about doing it to everyone else.
He's actually become so comfortable with being a corrupt individual that he's bragging about it as he's doing it.
His friends (including you, Relius) realize this too, but rather than actually accepting the dishonest action for what it is, they all decide to defend to his foul temperament in hopes of benefiting because his use of shady politics has proven so successful in the past. Any of his friends are no better than he is, the only difference is that he's doing all the groundwork for them and they're just taking whatever scraps are thrown their way.
Winning a tournament where the runner-up (me) did not even own the game and only had 45 minutes of time with the game beforehand does not exactly count as an accomplishment to anyone with sanity. Yet these ARE are the types of accomplishments he proudly displays on his resume, so thank you for bringing that to light for some of the newer people.
That's all the Manny bashing im going to do in this thread, we've been on this rollercoaster too many times for it to be meaningful. We all know what he is, and we all know what he's doing right now. Nothing is going to stop it overnight.
Let's not say things we can't take back when I'm currently "not exactly bad" in a game without DOA's fallacies. How many games are you actually tournament-level competent at?
He KNOWS why people don't like him. He KNOWS the foul shit he's done over the years and refuses to acknowledge it. His own friends openly say that there's shit he he's done but will never publicly admit to. But most of all, he is continuing to do it to this day with absolutely no intention of stopping, while convincing guys like Swoozie to basically openly brag about doing it to everyone else.
He's actually become so comfortable with being a corrupt individual that he's bragging about it as he's doing it.
His friends (including you, Relius) realize this too, but rather than actually accepting the dishonest action for what it is, they all decide to defend to his foul temperament in hopes of benefiting because his use of shady politics has proven so successful in the past. Any of his friends are no better than he is, the only difference is that he's doing all the groundwork for them and they're just taking whatever scraps are thrown their way.
Winning a tournament where the runner-up (me) did not even own the game and only had 45 minutes of time with the game beforehand does not exactly count as an accomplishment to anyone with sanity. Yet these ARE are the types of accomplishments he proudly displays on his resume, so thank you for bringing that to light for some of the newer people.
That's all the Manny bashing im going to do in this thread, we've been on this rollercoaster too many times for it to be meaningful. We all know what he is, and we all know what he's doing right now. Nothing is going to stop it overnight.
Let's not say things we can't take back when I'm currently "not exactly bad" in a game without DOA's fallacies. How many games are you actually tournament-level competent at?
Berzerk!
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Quick disclaimer: I'm not down with the claims without solid proof, and leave it there. I think CyberEvil has thrown enough of an even hand on things for the "fixing topic"... and the claim to authority/personal judgement thing doesn't work for anyone, but!
I think the above question (on its own without any other implications) is a useful thing to know and to ASK yourself.
To be a good, solid gamer, particularly competitively, I really think its important to be well rounded and to be able to play and understand tournament level skill in multiple games, to at least an intermediate or better standard.
It doesn't mean any well reasoned arguments made by people without this should be ignored, but its probably going to be harder to find experience and examples to draw on without it.
Between now and when DOA drops, play a lot of fighting games! Go to events! See the environment this community is going to be entering into.
Rikuto
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You don't have to get all power-word-positive on me.
He was just using the old tactic of defending his "friend" by preemptively attacking the integrity of his "foe". That's called engineering a debate and it failed because his engineerwork was groundless and could be easily reflected on himself even if it did have a base.
It doesn't need to get anymore complicated than that, and I'd appreciate it if you didn't try to take the focus off of that blunder. When people don't take pity on someone for saying something dumb and intervene on their behalf I think you'll find the internet has its own form of natural selection.
Rikuto
P-P-P-P-P-P-POWER!
Wounds don't heal until you stop twisting the knife.
Rikuto
P-P-P-P-P-P-POWER!
As we are all too aware....
I can't blame people for being upset that there is a knife in their back still being twisted, nor can I ask anyone to ignore it. It affects all of us.
Karma is a certifiable bitch, though....
Berzerk!
Well-Known Member
Huh! I'll simplify: Shit talk aside, I agree that people should put up some credentials for their fighting game experience. Let's hope its not derailed too much for Relius to answer - no redirection.