Say whaaaaat? What is going on here?

[Raansu]

Relius has clearly never played against Rikuto in DoA...

 

[Relius Starkiller]

Relius has clearly never played against Rikuto in DoA...

Be careful, Grape man might agree with you and make both of you look like assholes.

 

[Relius Starkiller]

Want a lesson in politics - go check Tom Brady's youtube. History of DOA = Gone.

Why? Because you can't be a public figure and go on venomous diaribes with accusations you can't really back up.

 

[RoboJoe]

Can someone post these Tom Brady videos?

 

[Rikuto]

Heres where you've got the game fucked up - its not all about countering. Its about grappling, timing, spacing and moment to moment decision making. A match with Rikuto goes something like this - I stun him, he counters, I grab.
I stand in his face, wait for him to counter, he does, I grab. I stun him, he doesn't counter, I time a slower catch grab. That formula works all the time and hes admitted as such.

Ya know who else that strategy beats? People that don't know what their doing - I can't implement that strategy all the time, every time against other high level players but Rikuto is the exception. But I can do it against any idiot B+ who doesn't want me to explain to them how to slow escape.

Oh, I'm sorry that I didn't read the "SRK Labeling System" index but then again, no I'm not. I don't care what their definition is, mine is someone who thinks they are better than they are. You feel that you are better than you actually are. You're like that guy at the poker table who goes all in every once in a while - you might win a few pots that way but the book is out on you and you'll never win the bracelet.

Same in DOA, you mash X in hopes of winning and when it doesn't you bitch about online, and izuna drops and Bayman would have beat you if this were 3.1.

If you're not going to follow established definitions within a set context you will forever be saying nonsense that only you understand, and people will constantly be telling you that you're wrong -- because you are. That's called failing at English.

So, Rock paper scissors. You've beaten me once before in CGS, good job. I've beaten Manny before in CGS. What did we prove here? That CGS had a terrible inconsistent format and DOA 4 is a terrible inconsistent game. Furthermore, I've gone out of my way to prove how good I am in both horrible games like DOA 4 and good ones like SCV. Even in the game you're saying i'm supposedly salty at (?!), I've actually GOT a tournament record.

So what would I have to bitch about? It's like your making a jab at me to try and find some legitimacy to anything you've done over the years, which was approximately nothing as far as I remember. Earn accomplishments, don't argue them.

Me? Maybe you're the one here with the mental barrier because the way I see it the only way you could ever win was by trying to devolve the game into something it wasn't and more often than not it backfired on you. You've constructed this little fantasy world where you only had trouble with (quote) the big 4 but I know so many people who have the exact same strategy to beat you.

You're living in a dream world Neo.

By the end of the games lifespan I was beating every single CGS player consistently in REGULAR tournament play except for the top 4. I had gotten past Jail, Jared and Chappelle. I still hold the record against Highguy, Hatrify, and Rabies. I don't believe I ever lost to Chosen1 as far as I remember. I had actually surpassed Offbeat at the last GVN before the second Combine once I leveled up my Leon, but at the same time been convincingly overtaken by NinjaCW. So at any given point in time, it's quite true. Four people gave me great issue. These are recorded results.

History is not a fantasy.

Answer: A Vagina, now give me 3 terrible things Master has done to this community outside of the afore mentioned.

I could write a book but here's a few off the top of my head since you apparently like to forget it every time a Manny thread rises from the ashes.

Stole 10k, stole another 10k, was guaranteed a spot on CGS for both seasons without ever having to work for it, stole the title of DOA champion placed himself in a position to get first-looks and viable feedback which would only support his playstyle instead of the catering to the wishes of the community, threatened people over the phone if they didn't do what he said, kept information about high-profile tournaments secret from the general public until two days before the event (for example that event vin deisel was at), used his false position to fly to japan for free on multiple occasions (ie doad loketest, this nonsense last week, etc), and went out of his way to bar anyone outside of his crew from attending these events.

He's got some more BS coming up soon (and I do mean soon) so stay tuned on that.

Politics exist in almost every facet of social life and, most importantly, every sport. It doesn't matter if it has no place, its there, are you going to run away from it? Because when you do that it wins.

You could play the game, you could give it a shot.

Those are like the desperate words of someone clinging to the mercy of his lord's boot. I feel sorry for you.

There are ways to deal with problems like Manny, and there are ways to deal with the petty politics that keep him in power. Manny isn't even profitable anymore, he creates more negative image than he does good. I'll let you guess where things go from there from a politicians point of view.

*Applause* Thats great man, lets keep the community splintered. Lets rely on Shoryuken to prop up DOA5.

What splinter? The folks here have some arguments about how they want the game to turn out, but the community itself is hardly splintered. TKP is dead, a dead entity is not a splinter. The only ones not among us are the super-casuals who have no business being on a competitive site, and the self-imposed outcasts who have managed to piss everybody off because they couldn't play nice in the sandbox.

The community itself though? As in, the competitive community? Standing pretty firm, we're all on one site. You're the one who kept banking on the sickly horse, I'm sorry it didn't work out for you.

Rikuto, my god. I didn't get it before but now I do. Fuck the people! Fuck everyone who doesn't agree with you! My. . . .my god, Rikuto, thats genius! That way you can live in your social bubble, you can keep your mental barriers erected and, to you, life will be as you see it.

Write a book on how to shove your head into the sand, you're great at it.

This is a website built for competitive DOA. It was not built for anything else. It wasn't made with the intention of being undeniably popular, it wasn't made with the goal of getting all ze powah. It was made for competition. Its purpose was pure and that's why people started coming here.

Casuals have DOAW, this wasn't a piece of fuckoffery, it was good advice.

 

[Matt Ponton]

Can someone post these Tom Brady videos?

Unfortunately, Bill has removed him from his YouTube.

In the seven part session he basically went over his history in the DOA community from his point of view; covering over the early days of DID and TIT, the Championship Gaming Invitational and Series, Evolution 2006, and how he felt he was treated by the owner of DOACentral, Manny, and Vanessa.

The thread was quickly moved to DOAC's FLAME Board where numerous other competitors like Perfect Legend, Black Mamba, and Ninja CW came out to voice their displeasure over the 'politics' in the community as well. Manny tried making a rebuttle but it was done in text and too long to bother reading as people were already too pissed at him to care it seems.

Various websites picked up on it, including Shoryuken:
http://shoryuken.com/2011/05/28/the-story-of-doa-politics-corruption-and-trash/
http://shoryuken.com/forum/index.php?threads/the-story-of-doa-by-tom-brady.137166/
http://www.mortalkombatunited.com/s...DYCAST-The-Story-of-DOA-a-PERSONAL-life-story
http://virtuafighter.com/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/304981/1

You can hear the original rant that led to it here at the 42 second mark:

He's got some more BS coming up soon (and I do mean soon) so stay tuned on that.

Indeed.

 

[RoboJoe]

Unfortunately, Bill has removed him from his YouTube.

Too bad, from those links you gave, it seemed like something worth seeing.

Stole 10k, stole another 10k, was guaranteed a spot on CGS for both seasons without ever having to work for it, stole the title of DOA champion placed himself in a position to get first-looks and viable feedback which would only support his playstyle instead of the catering to the wishes of the community, threatened people over the phone if they didn't do what he said, kept information about high-profile tournaments secret from the general public until two days before the event (for example that event vin deisel was at), used his false position to fly to japan for free on multiple occasions (ie doad loketest, this nonsense last week, etc), and went out of his way to bar anyone outside of his crew from attending these events.

He's got some more BS coming up soon (and I do mean soon) so stay tuned on that.

That's fucked up for sure, but what I don't get is why didn't anyone just tell him to fuck off after he rigged the first tournament? Why didn't anyone ban him? I find it hard to believe that everyone just sat back and let that happen twice. Why didn't anyone stop him? I'm honestly confused by this. Someone shed some light on this for me please. Also, "soon" = e3 right?

 

[Chris Harris]

Too bad, from those links you gave, it seemed like something worth seeing.



That's fucked up for sure, but what I don't get is why didn't anyone just tell him to fuck off after he rigged the first tournament? Why didn't anyone ban him? I find it hard to believe that everyone just sat back and let that happen twice. Why didn't anyone stop him? I'm honestly confused by this. Someone shed some light on this for me please. Also, "soon" = e3 right?

Things were said when this went down. Just Manny and Morris had all the contacts and were in contact with them while no one else was. Only a very select few ever really had those contacts but they just used them for their own personal gain.

 

[Rikuto]

Too bad, from those links you gave, it seemed like something worth seeing.



That's fucked up for sure, but what I don't get is why didn't anyone just tell him to fuck off after he rigged the first tournament? Why didn't anyone ban him? I find it hard to believe that everyone just sat back and let that happen twice. Why didn't anyone stop him? I'm honestly confused by this. Someone shed some light on this for me please.

We did tell him to fuck off. Repeatedly. It was a huge deal. The problem is that Morris was the owner of doacentral, and Manny was his chosen champion. Because Morris had first contact with these guys behind CGS, he had Manny's position on lockdown from the start. After that, what could we do?

It didn't matter if we objected. They didn't care, they had all the money and all the cards.

Also, "soon" = e3 right?

Sorry, I seem to have suffered from sudden memory loss. Can't quite remember what I was thinking of.

 

[Matt Ponton]

Let's also not forget that he would "Drop us like it's hot" if we talked out of turn or said the wrong thing.

Oh, and any tournament of his he didn't win, the footage "was lost", and if he won it'd be posted the next day. I believe both Bill and Allan Paris can agree to that. I know that they were recording the grand finals of DID7 on the Hauppauge HD PVR, but please anyone show me where that footage is. The only footage we have is of Allan's friend's camera phone.

 

[Relius Starkiller]

If you're not going to follow established definitions within a set context you will forever be saying nonsense that only you understand, and people will constantly be telling you that you're wrong -- because you are. That's called failing at English.

I don't think anyone, outside of people here, have ever corrected me when I've called a person a scrub who thinks they are better than they are.

Fact - you play like an B+. I know this hurts you but its the truth.

So, Rock paper scissors. You've beaten me once before in CGS, good job. I've beaten Manny before in CGS. What did we prove here? That CGS had a terrible inconsistent format and DOA 4 is a terrible inconsistent game. Furthermore, I've gone out of my way to prove how good I am in both horrible games like DOA 4 and good ones like SCV. Even in the game you're saying i'm supposedly salty at (?!), I've actually GOT a tournament record.

So what would I have to bitch about? It's like your making a jab at me to try and find some legitimacy to anything you've done over the years, which was approximately nothing as far as I remember. Earn accomplishments, don't argue them.

DOA is so fucking inconsistent that the same people keep winning.

DOA is so inconsistent that you can say to the world with confidence that you were better than X number of people.

DOA is so inconsistent that Master loses to the same 2 guys all the time.

What the fuck are you even talking about now? In one breath the game is terrible, its inconsistent and then in the next you talk about how you've "Leveled up" and you've surpassed this guy and that guy. You're trying to prop up YOUR tournament history while at the same time talk about how DOA4 was garbage and the CGS was garbage but you're quick to claim accomplishments in the game.

Either what you did mattered or the game was trash, inconsistent and everything that you accomplished was by chance.

Heres a fact: You like to talk about how you beat Master at the second CGS combine but the CGS rule set is bullshit to you, so why didn't matter according to you.

Stole 10k, stole another 10k, was guaranteed a spot on CGS for both seasons without ever having to work for it, stole the title of DOA champion placed himself in a position to get first-looks and viable feedback which would only support his playstyle instead of the catering to the wishes of the community, threatened people over the phone if they didn't do what he said, kept information about high-profile tournaments secret from the general public until two days before the event (for example that event vin deisel was at), used his false position to fly to japan for free on multiple occasions (ie doad loketest, this nonsense last week, etc), and went out of his way to bar anyone outside of his crew from attending these events.

Oh, wait so Cyberevil and Dahlsim didn't pick the competitors for that tournament? Because I know I just saw CE claim that.

You're blaming Master for beating PL and Offbeat ninja at CGI2? He stole those victories? Wheres the proof.

He "Stole" the title of Champion and yet he won the two most high profile tournaments at the time.

He placed himself in a position to get first looks and then he turns around, invites team ninja to DID and gives the ENTIRE COMMUNITY A CHANCE TO SPEAK WITH THEM FACE TO FACE.

The Vin Deisel "tournament"? You mean that impromptu round robin with 5 people that Vin didn't participate in? http://dpad.gotfrag.com/portal/story/35356/ Get the fuck outta here man.

And who did he threaten exactly? What was said? You're throwing out these stories with no context or proof. I don't doubt phone calls took place but how about a little more information.

I mean, is this it Rikuto? Is this why you have a grudge against this guy? Because this all just seems like misunderstanding and hearsay. Jesus, I'm sure Master is going to be at E3 and I'm sure that makes you angry but the fact is that Master is a beneficiary of circumstance - hes great at DOA, hes accomplished more than most and hes got a braggadocios personality.

Those are like the desperate words of someone clinging to the mercy of his lord's boot. I feel sorry for you.

Yours are the words of someone living in the past. Lose the boo boo face and start trying to figure out how you can get to where Master is - which is where, whether you want to admit it or not, you want to be. You somehow got access to the front page of this website and threw up some bullshit once and you wonder why Master doesn't let you in on what hes doing? You hate the guy, he knows it, why should the mother fucker include you or anyone else who OPENLY says the things you do about him?

If you would shut your mouth, not fall in line, just shut up, you'd probably get the opportunities to do the things you want to do but no you'll just keep being a martyr.

What splinter? The folks here have some arguments about how they want the game to turn out, but the community itself is hardly splintered. TKP is dead, a dead entity is not a splinter. The only ones not among us are the super-casuals who have no business being on a competitive site, and the self-imposed outcasts who have managed to piss everybody off because they couldn't play nice in the sandbox.

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You don't see the Smash Bros. community splintering itself based on how competitive or casual the players are. You're trying to cull out all the casuals instead of converting them - and you can say you've tried, I've got a memory, you've never really tried.

And for the record I was talking about DOAW, I see no reason for that site, TKP and this site to exist. TKP is going dodo, hopefully this or DOAW does too.

 

[Relius Starkiller]

And I'm going to be very, very clear here - me and DOAMaster are not buddies. If I see the guy at a tournament its just a "Whats Up" and thats it.

I haven't been to TKP in months, Masters on my FL but we haven't talked in longer. The only reason I'm coming out on the guys side is because I feel you guys are being disingenuous.

Oh, and any tournament of his he didn't win, the footage "was lost", and if he won it'd be posted the next day. I believe both Bill and Allan Paris can agree to that. I know that they were recording the grand finals of DID7 on the Hauppauge HD PVR, but please anyone show me where that footage is. The only footage we have is of Allan's friend's camera phone.

Like this - you're insinuating that Master is trying to cover it up but its on his websites youtube channel.

Is it bad quality, yeah but if hes trying to cover something up then why is it there at all?

 

[x Sypher x]

Let's also not forget that he would "Drop us like it's hot" if we talked out of turn or said the wrong thing.

Oh, and any tournament of his he didn't win, the footage "was lost", and if he won it'd be posted the next day. I believe both Bill and Allan Paris can agree to that. I know that they were recording the grand finals of DID7 on the Hauppauge HD PVR, but please anyone show me where that footage is. The only footage we have is of Allan's friend's camera phone.

Lol I remember that, the only footage of him loosing, go figure. But at least he couldn't prevent his losses on CGS from being publicized (or posted on Youtube). That's proof enough that he's not as great as he tries to make himself out to be. Even heroes and/or masters fall.

 

[Matt Ponton]

I never was insinuating a cover up. I was just stating what has been complained about: If he has lost a tournament that had its finals recorded, the finals aren't posted, but if he wins the tournament, the finals are posted nearly immediately.

Not surprised his match is up on his youtube channel.

 

[DyByHands]

That video above is just... lame. Dude is asking people to go to someone elses facebook and talk sh*t, come on now. And, I love the notion that working at a fast food joint is just the lowest of the low. As if crunching buttons on a controller is so much better than scooping french fries. At least whoever he was talking about isn't selling dope to kids, I hope.

 

[Matt Ponton]

He went on later to apologize about it and asked people to stop posting it on her facebook.

 

[Relius Starkiller]

I never was insinuating a cover up. I was just stating what has been complained about: If he has lost a tournament that had its finals recorded, the finals aren't posted, but if he wins the tournament, the finals are posted nearly immediately.

Not surprised his match is up on his youtube channel.

This is him losing and its on his youtube.

Its like everything is his fault somehow - Oh the DID4 results weren't posted, that was Masters fault?

What about the fact that there was NO video for DID5 even though he won that?

I don't remember any video for DID2 either outside of the Jax Invitational Finals and who was supposed to be in charge of all that? Swoozie I think - Are you accusing sWooZie of being a lying sack of shit too because if you are, lets hear it.

Hes got Video for DID6, that he won and DID7 that he lost.

What are you guys talking about?

 

[DyByHands]

He went on later to apologize about it and asked people to stop posting it on her facebook.

Good, I like that!

 

[Rikuto]

You've already admitted he and swoozie are invested heavily in politics, you've even suggested I do it myself if I want to be as successful as they are. You ask for proof and evidence even as its happening right now and Manny is pretty much openly bragging about it. Why would I need more "proof" than that? You've already confirmed the very nature of his being.

You don't know what you're arguing, you just want to argue and be mad. You want every website to fail but one? If there are three people here, I'll be here. That's what it was like when we started, didn't bother me then and it wouldn't bother me in the future.

If you would shut your mouth, not fall in line, just shut up, you'd probably get the opportunities to do the things you want to do but no you'll just keep being a martyr.

Kinda like D Glock was taken care of, right?

I'm not going to shut up or fall into line for that douchebag. Just because you want to be his little bitch doesn't mean I have to be. If his nature wasn't anymore transparent by the way you actually just said this pretentious bullshit, I don't even know what kind of idiot would actually be convinced that guy runs a legit operation. I'm not going to be a martyr either. I get what I earn and I stay satisfied with it. If I feel I want more, I work harder for it and take honest risks to get it. That's integrity.

Sorry they don't have that where you're from.

 

[Matt Ponton]

This is him losing and its on his youtube.

And I never said matches of him losing don't show up on youtube. I said, players have complained in the past that when they won a tournament hosted in Dallas by Morris and/or Manny where the finals were recorded, the matches were never posted, but if Manny won a tournament that had the finals recorded, they were posted the next day on DOAC.

Those were the complaints by other players, most of it was Morris "losing the tapes" the next day, or having technical difficulties, and many players attributed this towards Morris pushing Manny as the "DOA Champion" even if he just lost the last major. Yes, that's how he would introduce him to Team NINJA. I know, because I would be there when he would introduce Manny a few times.

I don't really care anymore, and as I said I was merely stating another complaint from veterans of the community. I'm looking to the future and trying to make sure DOA5 has a proper following and community. This looking back at the past shit I don't care to do, but Manny doesn't make it easy to stop people from complaining about him. After all, he loves it when people do as his name is used more often - he has admitted to that by the way. He gives them plenty of opportunity to do so, and I look forward to E3 to see what sort of announcements Team NINJA has in regard to DOA5.

My take on Manny is that he cares more about pro gaming than the grassroots tournament community. That's fine for him and Morris, they can chase their own dream. For me, I want to try and get a stable grassroots tournament community for this game series I love. Even then, there's no animosity between me and Manny that I know of. I went to DID7, went 'sup?' and chilled.

I think I've proven that I put the community first when given the chances to work with Tecmo by now.