HiguraShiki
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Dude, we should all steal that idea. Ingenious!
Something I'd like people to start testing...
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Justice
Member
So I was right then. This all just an excuse to beat on scrubs faster. Nice community. At least the Soul Caliber community is kind enough to stare at you funny until you leave.
Rikuto
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What is the purpose of a competitive game?
Again, why do you believe you should stand a chance if I am a better player?
HiguraShiki
Active Member
I agree. The more experienced player should be rewarded for his/her knowledge.
Berzerk!
Well-Known Member
It is NOT to beat on scrubs faster. In my opinion it makes the game more fun and accessible because you can lose a round and then play the next one faster. If you're waiting in an online lobby, you don't have to wait as long.
If you've learned a good combo, it has more of an effect. You learn correct defence more quickly because you see what really hurts instead of shrugging it off like it doesn't matter.
If you've learned a good combo, it has more of an effect. You learn correct defence more quickly because you see what really hurts instead of shrugging it off like it doesn't matter.
Rikuto
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Normal allows you to rush down without fear of repercussion. On smallest you can make your opponent too scared to try anything braindead.
It sounds to me like you're trying to play the on smallest with the same exact mentality as on normal, and it's pissing you off because its like shoving your head inside of a blender.
So, pull your head out of the blender and the round won't be over in 10 seconds. You're too used to DOA allowing you to play stupid and it's punishing you for that. This goes for all of you.
DR2K
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Yes, I'm used to DOA allowing me for second, thrid, and even 4 chances. I just don't think it makes sense for Kasumi and Christie to be able to kill you in the same amount of combos that Bass can. Why not just pick the character who can initiate the stun system quicker?
Rikuto
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It's much harder for Bass to land a strike. Close to impossible, actually, if someone is actually playing DOA like a real fighting game and reacting to his telegraphed lows while respecting the frame data of his mids. Of course it happens all the time because, as I said, everybody is used to playing stupid and not respecting anything. Both CB and HCT options from him are terrifying as a result of that, because if you fuck up you are going to most likely pay for it in a very big way.
With Kasumi, everything on smallest hurts, and that stops you from just throwing out stupid shit, but it's more forgiving to try and escape a stun because it doesn't hurt as much compared to Bass. The tradeoff is the speed and her ability to lockdown from neutral.
On normal you get the same situation, but both players are allowed to be as reckless as they want because getting stunned doesn't lead to any immediate danger. You can basically give your opponent a full free HCT/juggle and not really feel it. That's poor flow.
Kyotos Finest
Member
I would like to add something to this.
I am new to DOA I played a bit of DOA3 and 4 but not as hard as I have played 5.
But I feel that putting your health on smallest or smaller is a good practice. As it has been stated before, these setting will really force you to play smartly, forcing you to work on your defensive game. There are a lot of players out there who have no idea how to block in DOA, and playing on smallest where a whiffed hold will get you blown up, blocking becomes a necessity and that is a good thing. I know that they are two different games, but I can compare these settings to something along the lines of Marvel. We all know the crazy things that can happen in Marvel of the merits of a single hit confirm, and you also know (if you watch any marvel streams) how the top players in Marvel have amazing movement and blocking game as well as good spacing, because they know how bad getting hit is.
Playing with smallest health forces this kind of play, you know that if you get hit, that it is going to hurt like hell, so you work on your defense, you stop spamming holds foolishly because now whiffing them once or twice can damn near get you killed if not put you in the grave, and you work on you blocking because if you can't hold you need other ways to defend your self.
This setting can upgrade your movement and spacing, I use to ignore sidesteps because I could always throw out a random hold and deal with it nonchalantly, but now I feel the need to stay more evasive, to avoid hard hitting attacks, and my spacing game has improved in ways that make me happy inside lol. Even when I played on normal I used to find myself getting whooped on by wake up kicks and fall of ledges or smashing into walls on hit. But they never did enough damage to really make me work on it. But now on this smallest setting where a wall combo can literally be the death of you. I am more self conscious of where I am standing. I play Ayane (for now going through a character crisis.) And I feel that she highly benefits from the improvements of my spacing, I no longer get her pounded by stunning wake up kicks, and I utilize her decent ranged attacks and methods of getting in more effectively.
I think that everything that you learn while playing on smallest can further your game even when you take all these tactics back to a setting with normal health, and I think we can all benefit from becoming smarter players right?
I don't want to go on forever so I will just make one last comment
I have read some comments about it not being far that newer players don't stand a chance against veterans in this new setting. But isn't that the way it is suppose to be? I am lucky enough to have some decent players on my I.E Codemaster and Crazysteady and I have even had the chance to play against Punishere, Renairism and even Rikuto in peacefuljay's stream lobby. Believe me I say that I'm lucky to have play against these players, but they blow me up over and over again. But I don't mind it, because I am learning new things each and every time Codemaster stomps me with his Helena, or each time that Punishere makes me look foolish with sabaki's. I am learning what works and what doesn't and that in it's self makes up for however "unfair" it may be for them to destroy me (I think it's fair personally, I mean they know the game a lot better then I do and have been playing for a lot longer, but to each his own right?)
That all I wanted to say,
P.S who knew that Rikuto could have an evil side, it's a pure contrast to how he looks on streams. At first I thought he was just plain corny, but boy was I wrong.
I am new to DOA I played a bit of DOA3 and 4 but not as hard as I have played 5.
But I feel that putting your health on smallest or smaller is a good practice. As it has been stated before, these setting will really force you to play smartly, forcing you to work on your defensive game. There are a lot of players out there who have no idea how to block in DOA, and playing on smallest where a whiffed hold will get you blown up, blocking becomes a necessity and that is a good thing. I know that they are two different games, but I can compare these settings to something along the lines of Marvel. We all know the crazy things that can happen in Marvel of the merits of a single hit confirm, and you also know (if you watch any marvel streams) how the top players in Marvel have amazing movement and blocking game as well as good spacing, because they know how bad getting hit is.
Playing with smallest health forces this kind of play, you know that if you get hit, that it is going to hurt like hell, so you work on your defense, you stop spamming holds foolishly because now whiffing them once or twice can damn near get you killed if not put you in the grave, and you work on you blocking because if you can't hold you need other ways to defend your self.
This setting can upgrade your movement and spacing, I use to ignore sidesteps because I could always throw out a random hold and deal with it nonchalantly, but now I feel the need to stay more evasive, to avoid hard hitting attacks, and my spacing game has improved in ways that make me happy inside lol. Even when I played on normal I used to find myself getting whooped on by wake up kicks and fall of ledges or smashing into walls on hit. But they never did enough damage to really make me work on it. But now on this smallest setting where a wall combo can literally be the death of you. I am more self conscious of where I am standing. I play Ayane (for now going through a character crisis.) And I feel that she highly benefits from the improvements of my spacing, I no longer get her pounded by stunning wake up kicks, and I utilize her decent ranged attacks and methods of getting in more effectively.
I think that everything that you learn while playing on smallest can further your game even when you take all these tactics back to a setting with normal health, and I think we can all benefit from becoming smarter players right?
I don't want to go on forever so I will just make one last comment
I have read some comments about it not being far that newer players don't stand a chance against veterans in this new setting. But isn't that the way it is suppose to be? I am lucky enough to have some decent players on my I.E Codemaster and Crazysteady and I have even had the chance to play against Punishere, Renairism and even Rikuto in peacefuljay's stream lobby. Believe me I say that I'm lucky to have play against these players, but they blow me up over and over again. But I don't mind it, because I am learning new things each and every time Codemaster stomps me with his Helena, or each time that Punishere makes me look foolish with sabaki's. I am learning what works and what doesn't and that in it's self makes up for however "unfair" it may be for them to destroy me (I think it's fair personally, I mean they know the game a lot better then I do and have been playing for a lot longer, but to each his own right?)
That all I wanted to say,
P.S who knew that Rikuto could have an evil side, it's a pure contrast to how he looks on streams. At first I thought he was just plain corny, but boy was I wrong.
Scornwell
Active Member
I'm sure you wouldn't stay a nice and helpful person if you were constantly berated by people less talented than you for no good reason.
I've been practicing a Bass mirror match all day on smallest and I don't think I've ever been more frustrated with the CPU.
Kyotos Finest
Member
Yea I understand why he is saying what he is, and that's probably why I find it kind of cool.
And I find that the CPU on smallest is also a big pain in the ass, I have never been counter held so much in my life, it's to the point I am afraid of pressing buttons. Glad that the people I play in real life don't have such amazing predictions.
Edit
amn typos.
Rikuto
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Problem isolated.
I prefer the term "blunt" over evil, but I've been interpreted as such by many. Occasionally also been called arrogant, though thats primarily because it is public standard to compromise on a subject you disagree on and find common ground, even if there is none. I choose to simply tell people when they are wrong and go into great detail as to why. Sometimes people get emotional over it, so I go into greater detail hoping that logic helps to defeat their own personal demons. Sometimes its taken personally, but I find giving false compromises is pointless.
I had to hate people before I could improve, so I learned to appreciate when someone I disliked would give me the pure, brutal truth and then beat me over the head with it until I learned. These days I'm simply paying it forward and not really worrying when someone thinks I'm an asshole.
SilverKhaos
Active Member
There's a difference between being blunt, and being rude. I'm not going to fault you too much for not seeing it, as most people like you (My mother is the same way, which is why she can't keep friends around) simply don't, and think its just people not being able to handle being told the "pure, brutal truth". Blunt is saying things that need to be said. Rude is saying things that don't need to be said. You fall into the latter category with the majority of your posts I've seen (not to say you don't fall into the former occasionally, as well.).
But you yourself need to improve on that. Granted, you aren't anywhere near Raansu levels of asshole, but you could still use learning some more social skills/etiquette.
Alright, let's keep any and all personal observations of other members out of the thread and solely in PMs (Conversations). I'll leave it up to Rikuto to handle that particular post, but any additional posts that aren't on topic AND venture into either offensive or armchair shrink territory earn warnings.
Rikuto
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I'm going to keep this short, so this doesn't go on much further.
The truth does its job wherever it's offered. If it helps someone, good. If it hurts someone, good. It is neither my fault, nor my problem when it effects somebody negatively. That's between their choices and God, as far as I'm concerned. It's their fault for being deluded in the first place, and too proud to accept their error. At least I gave them the keys to free themselves from ignorance, which is more than I can say for what most people would do for them.
If they can't take the bad news with the good, then they don't even deserve the good.
I lose no sleep over upsetting the deluded, and I'm at a phase in my life where I'm not looking to make friends with people who are too emotionally weak to handle the reality around them.
Hey, what's the problem with being an asshole? VV
If you still have a good point a valid opinion, it's still worth listening to.
V If you still have a good point a valid opinion, it's still worth listening to.
HiguraShiki
Active Member
The problem is, most of the people claiming that others are assholes have opinions as good as "Hey you like the color blue. Your a dumbass! Green is the best color! Shut up asshole you can't talk cause you like the color blue!"Hey, what's the problem with being an asshole? V
If you still have a good point a valid opinion, it's still worth listening to.
I like playing on Smallest more than Normal. I honestly don't know why anyone who has played DOA before DOA5 would have a problem with Smallest, considering that DOA5's Smallest is exactly the same as the pre-DOA5 Normal and no one had a problem with it then. Why suddenly hate it just because it's name changed?