Team Ninja wants ideas for next patch!

[shinryu]

Rannsu why was DOA4 bad when it came to buffing or nerfing. Some characters might have better moves than others but at the end of the day in DOA it matters if youre smarter than the opponent, not which character ur using. People said Leon was low tier and that he was shit but I swear to god I could beat anyone in this universe using him and they can use any high character from here to YA YA land.

A guess: you play mostly online? Not that many of us have a choice, but still...

Not knowing frames is not knowing the game, period. You're crippling yourself. They aren't the whole story but it's almost as bad as saying that "I don't need to know which attacks are high or mid or which attacks stun." I'm not trying to rip but in this kind of game this is a ticket to scrub world. You need to know these things.

 

[WebHead]

Yeah I only play online, and I still dont think I need to know frames to win. I stun you, the games in my court now kid, and ill tell you the only way these kids ever get out of my stun is by mashing low counter, otherwise say bye to 40% of your lifebar.

 

[Nereus]

Quit asking for nerfs for a solid tool and start asking for buffs for the weaker characters. There is nothing broken about Jann Lee's dragon gunner and there is ZERO reason to nerf it. If you want to bitch about Jann Lee then play 3.1 and I'll give you a REAL reason to bitch about him. I'd kill to have 3.1 Jann Lee in DoA5.

Start asking for BUFFS for other characters not nerfs. Bring the weaker characters up to Jann Lee's level, don't bring him down to the weaker characters...If that happened we would just be playing DoA4 again...no thanks to that. I guarantee that nerfing any character right now will KILL this game. You think the offline scene is struggling now? If they nerf characters you can watch as everyone leaves again like they did with doa4. The game needs more legit tools, not less.

what was wrong w/ DOA3 Jann Lee? didn't really play it so care to explain?

 

[Raansu]

what was wrong w/ DOA3 Jann Lee? didn't really play it so care to explain?

Nothing was wrong with him, he was an extremely good character in 3.1 which is why I was saying if people wanna bitch about him in 5, then go play 3.1 and I'd give them a real reason to bitch. He can frame trap the hell out of you AND use his dragon gunner for guaranteed 66k into the wall into a guaranteed launcher for a full juggle.

3.1 66k and all variants of that kick was +1 on block. In DoA5 its -4. Imagine if it was still +1? I'd kill to have that back.

 

[Nereus]

Nothing was wrong with him, he was an extremely good character in 3.1 which is why I was saying if people wanna bitch about him in 5, then go play 3.1 and I'd give them a real reason to bitch. He can frame trap the hell out of you AND use his dragon gunner for guaranteed 66k into the wall into a guaranteed launcher for a full juggle.

3.1 66k and all variants of that kick was +1 on block. In DoA5 its -4. Imagine if it was still +1? I'd kill to have that back.

it was +1? In Big seans voice... OH GOD!!!! lol

 

[Nereus]

Nothing was wrong with him, he was an extremely good character in 3.1 which is why I was saying if people wanna bitch about him in 5, then go play 3.1 and I'd give them a real reason to bitch. He can frame trap the hell out of you AND use his dragon gunner for guaranteed 66k into the wall into a guaranteed launcher for a full juggle.

3.1 66k and all variants of that kick was +1 on block. In DoA5 its -4. Imagine if it was still +1? I'd kill to have that back.

wish they would re-release the old DOA's w/ a more stable netcode. Maybe even better than DOA5's netcode

 

[Raansu]

it was +1? In Big seans voice... OH GOD!!!! lol

To put it bluntly it was "stupid good" lol.

And yes, while I would love for a XBLA release of 3.1 with online play I think TN can get DoA5 to be as good as 3.1 if they get this patch right. If they get it wrong...well the game will be screwed.

 

[Mr. T]

@ DR2K, "remove OH properties of dragon gunner".. are you trollin'? Jann Lee needs the utility of a OH. Just look at the rest of the cast. Leif fang for example whom you spoke of earlier, she's got a ton of tools at her disposal. Jann Lee however is one of the characters that actually need a good OH to keep pressure.

I have a concept that i think ties in neatly with the amount of low moves giving significant frame advantage a character posses / OH's. Take Mila and Pai respectively they are each at the extremities of this. Mila is arguably the worst character in terms of low moves. However she has the best OH. While Pai lacking any useful OH may be the worst grappler her low moves are great. It's a trade off. Jann lee and a few others are somewhere in the gray zone in respect to low moves giving significant frame advantage / OH.

That said i do think a free attack leading into CB in 2 moves off of dragon gunner is a bit over the top for any OH.

 

[d3v]

Eh Vanilla Sagat was dumb, retard mode dumb. He was nerfed properly. Also known as Jann Lee right now. Removing Oh properties from Dragon Gunner won't cause any outrage. It's a rational and fair nerf, that still allows a character to compete.

Still wasn't top tier, at least not based on what we know know about Viper's 50/50 wake up game, Seth's "I touch you and turn the game into Marvel" and Akuma and Cammy's sheer offense.

Sentinel isn't mid tier though, he's designed around getting 1 hit kills and is a top assist. Health nerf was great, but Capcom said his health was a glitch.

Doesn't make him top tier in a game where 80-90% of the cast can get 1 hit kills. Sent neither has the mobility nor the versatility that he had in MvC2, that the top tiers have in MvC3. He's no longer the fastest character in the game like he was in 2 and therefore needs to take damage to get in. The only time that "whack-bot" is strong is with level 3 X-Factor, which is why he still makes a somewhat decent anchor depending on the team.

Point is, it's barely been 2 months, any old-school player knows that 2 months is way too little time to make informed recommendations on balance.

 

[Matt Ponton]

edit: I mean, right now there is little to no incentive for doing the AA, so this change could make the chain throw more useful.

Yes, hence my suggestion. The only viable reason you'd use the AA is because it's the only part of the combo throw that will knock off cliff, but it's tough to know if you will knock them off or not. In addition, cliff damage isn't as severe as it used to.

 

[Dave]

OK, I was trying not to post here to avoid fights, negativity and what not, but I just can't. The lag for the past 3 days has been unacceptable. I can't even play a match without it moving in slow motion, freezing, or having some other strange thing happen. It is not my connection, I am using a wired connection with open NAT and open ports. This is the only game that gives me trouble. Instead of worrying about catering to people wanting silly outfits and buffing characters when the game has been out for only a little over a month, they need to get this net code in order. If they continue to let it be like this I will stop playing the game online. The game itself is great, but I cannot believe they are tarnishing it with this connection issue. I'll just play offline. It is extremely frustrating to not even be able to pull off a simple command due to the jagged and system freezing lag. No excuses for games no a days where online is a big part of the game. I feel so bad for people that have bought the game pre-owned and had to purchase a pass to play online and encounter lag like this. Not fair.

 

[Raansu]

OK, I was trying not to post here to avoid fights, negativity and what not, but I just can't. The lag for the past 3 days has been unacceptable. I can't even play a match without it moving in slow motion, freezing, or having some other strange thing happen. It is not my connection, I am using a wired connection with open NAT and open ports. This is the only game that gives me trouble. Instead of worrying about catering to people wanting silly outfits and buffing characters when the game has been out for only a little over a month, they need to get this net code in order. If they continue to let it be like this I will stop playing the game online. The game itself is great, but I cannot believe they are tarnishing it with this connection issue. I'll just play offline. It is extremely frustrating to not even be able to pull off a simple command due to the jagged and system freezing lag. No excuses for games no a days where online is a big part of the game. I feel so bad for people that have bought the game pre-owned and had to purchase a pass to play online and encounter lag like this. Not fair.

It's p2p so there really is no way to "fix" it unless they change it to how SCV does it where the connections are synced to a server.

Also, you have 48 hours to play online on each unique gamer tag before it forces you to purchase the online pass. So people have the chance to try it out.

 

[Nereus]

ya'll just hating on cause he's the only Bruce lee clone w/ his own hair #DatHate lol

 

[UncleKitchener]

Yes, hence my suggestion. The only viable reason you'd use the AA is because it's the only part of the combo throw that will knock off cliff, but it's tough to know if you will knock them off or not. In addition, cliff damage isn't as severe as it used to.

Has anyone tweeted TN about this then?

 

[Matt Ponton]

Has anyone tweeted TN about this then?

I talked to shimbori about it personally and said it on twitter.

 

[UncleKitchener]

Okay, as long as he still remembers.

 

[Rikuto]

OK, I was trying not to post here to avoid fights, negativity and what not, but I just can't. The lag for the past 3 days has been unacceptable. I can't even play a match without it moving in slow motion, freezing, or having some other strange thing happen. It is not my connection, I am using a wired connection with open NAT and open ports. This is the only game that gives me trouble. Instead of worrying about catering to people wanting silly outfits and buffing characters when the game has been out for only a little over a month, they need to get this net code in order. If they continue to let it be like this I will stop playing the game online. The game itself is great, but I cannot believe they are tarnishing it with this connection issue. I'll just play offline. It is extremely frustrating to not even be able to pull off a simple command due to the jagged and system freezing lag. No excuses for games no a days where online is a big part of the game. I feel so bad for people that have bought the game pre-owned and had to purchase a pass to play online and encounter lag like this. Not fair.

Blame the hurricane.

 

[Tulkas]

so do u think doa5 is a huge improvement from 4? I think the best part of DOA is the 50/50 offense vs defense. Its more logic than science like VF. I dont need to pay attention to frame advantage or all that technical stuff to be good, I just need to logically outsmart my opponent which isnt that hard.

Stun, bring it to critical 9/10 they will try to counter a launch, then the next time I can switch it to a grab, or a high launch to be safe, you know what I mean?

I liked DOA since DOA2 because (among other reasons) theres not abusable moves due to the triangle system, which leads players to be creative, to mix things up. I just get boring of other fighting games when people just stuck doing the same few moves again and again...

For example: (about all that Dragon Gunner controversy...) If some Jan Lee player is abusing this move opponent can early throw and get nice hi-counter bonus! And there're nice choices besides triangle system, for example opponent can simply crouch (making it to whiff) and then punishing it with a throw or going to the offense with advantage. Crushing (crouching or jumping) is algo good options. Even poking with a fast enough attack in possible in some cases. There's also character specific tools aviable against Dragon Gunner...

 

[DR2K]

Nothing was wrong with him, he was an extremely good character in 3.1 which is why I was saying if people wanna bitch about him in 5, then go play 3.1 and I'd give them a real reason to bitch. He can frame trap the hell out of you AND use his dragon gunner for guaranteed 66k into the wall into a guaranteed launcher for a full juggle.

3.1 66k and all variants of that kick was +1 on block. In DoA5 its -4. Imagine if it was still +1? I'd kill to have that back.

Doesn't sound much different than what we have now. There were characters as good as Jann in 3.1 as well, in DOA5 I really can think of a single one.

 

[UncleKitchener]

I'm not gonna make any gameplay suggestions, but if you want my money, here the update list of costume ideas, TN:

1. K Nash or Desiel outfit for Bass

Anything from the late 90s or early 00s would be nice. Preferably with long blond hair.

2. Sabu or Iron Sheik for either Bass, Bayman or Leon in case he's added in future updates

for when you need to put them in camel clutch and make them humble

3. The white suit or the Sinister Minister
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/06/Mr._Mitchell.jpg/448px-Mr._Mitchell.jpg
If we don't get either of these two...well, we'll start a fire HAHAHAHAHAHA

4. Dudley Boyz, preferably anything worn by Buh Buh Ray
http://i.imgur.com/NFl4Y.jpg
Now, sit down and shut the hell up!

5.Taker (obvious)
http://www.sabotagetimes.com/wp-content/uploads/undertaker5.jpeg
You can't say no to this.

6. Big Van Vader
http://www.accelerator3359.com/Wrestling/pictures/vader.jpg
IT'S TIME!

7. The Road Warrior Costumes
http://www.accelerator3359.com/Wrestling/pictures/roadwarriors.jpg
This was pretty awesome. I'd like to see this back.

8. Tugboat
http://www.accelerator3359.com/Wrestling/pictures/tugboat.jpg
or any other Fred Ottman gimmick, especially the Shockmaster. If it's a shockmaster costume, make it so that only loses his helmet if he trips.

9. Bam Bam Bigalow
http://i.imgur.com/AdED1.jpg
Bam Bam was always a colourful guy.

10. Sid Vicious/Sycho Sid
http://nrkp3.no/banden/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/sid.bmp

11.Godfather
http://www.onlineworldofwrestling.com/pictures/g/godfather/24.jpg
For when you want to ruin weddings, especially Tina's.

11. Scott Steiner
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/ff/Tna_035.jpg
FAAAAAAT ASSES!!!

Thanks, TN.