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[DR2K]

What does that have to do with anything? Tina isn't remembered for her Shining wizard. She is actually remembered more for her big swing. So that makes you invalid.



They decided to mostly give it to grapplers. Doesn't mean it's just for grapplers. I don't see your argument here. Lei Fang has them. She is not a grappler. Jann Lee has one. Whoopy. I don't get your point.

Shining wizard was a big part of her aresenal in DOA3.

Yeah, but tell me why Jann Lee needs an OH to begin with? Why shouldn't his draggon gunner be a regular throw?

Leifang is a grappler. Grapplers in the game have 6 frame throws. Whereas the rest have 7.

 

[Django]

really big swing a move that pretty much only gets to be used on Lightweight chars.

 

[Doug Nguyen]

Dude. The point is OH is not only exclusive to grapplers not have it ever been. You're the only one making up these rules in your head. Jann Lee always had dragon gunner and it always had the properties it has now. Getting rid of it is like getting rid of Kasumi's move where she flips over your head, or Gen Fu grab where he catch you from the sky. Heck that's like getting rid of Izuna Otoshi from Hayabusa. It's not going to happen. Just learn to beat it.

From what DR2K has mentioned it seems OH is only for grapplers but somehow Jann lee got one. Its not a "rule" but it seems TN follows that trend for everyone else. And grapplers by definition is a 6 frame throw. Even though Lei fang isnt doing crazy grappling damages. Its the speed of the grapple. Jann lee's dragon gunner is really annoying enough. Its like if they made Helena's 214throw an OH, its the fact that those grabs leave you with so many options to extend your combo, and with Jann lee's unholdable stuns, he's got such an advantage already.

 

[Prince Adon]

Shining wizard was a big part of her aresenal in DOA3.

Yeah, but tell me why Jann Lee needs an OH to begin with? Why shouldn't his draggon gunner be a regular throw?

Leifang is a grappler. Grapplers in the game have 6 frame throws. Whereas the rest have 7.

Yup. "only grapplers" have 6 frame throws just like "only" grapplers have an OH right? Also it doesn't matter if Shining Wizard was special in DOA3 the point is she is known for her giant swing just like Jann Lee is known for his Dragon Gunner in every doa game. Also taking the shining wizard from Tina doesn't cripple her. She is a solid character. Actually I use her.

You argument is "Take dragon gunner from Jann Lee or make it a regular throw because he's not a grappler" which is a stupid argument. If you tweet that to TN they might laugh at you. I would. No where in the guide book does it say only grapplers can have those. Like I said you're making up these rules in your head. There is nothing wrong with Jann Lee having that grab. I've been beaten by Ryujin and you don't hear me complaining about it.

 

[daman077c]

Leifang is a grappler. Grapplers in the game have 6 frame throws. Whereas the rest have 7.

If Leifang is a grappler, she's the best "grappler" in the game, then. Better yet, lemme quote the guide:

Leifang is as close to a grappler class as you can get without having a 4-frame neutral throw and 6-frame command throw.

She's close to a grappler, yes, but she's not a grappler class character.

 

[Nereus]

If's dragon gunner was like a 7-8 frame startup (hella fast ) then i'd maybe be complaining but it's not..... i don't see a problem w/ it... it only guarantees 1-hit the other parts can be countered.... it can be punished by grab/Counter... on top of that it's risky.. i mainly use it if my opponent is countering too much. I'd be maining ein but im not gonna start on that topic lol. is more fun to play with anyways (no homo)

 

[DR2K]

She's close to a grappler, yes, but she's not a grappler class character.

If she were a bird she'd be in the grappler family. Jann wouldn't.

Yup. "only grapplers" have 6 frame throws just like "only" grapplers have an OH right? Also it doesn't matter if Shining Wizard was special in DOA3 the point is she is known for her giant swing just like Jann Lee is known for his Dragon Gunner in every doa game. Also taking the shining wizard from Tina doesn't cripple her. She is a solid character. Actually I use her.

That's nice, it still doesn't justify balance in a new game.

You argument is "Take dragon gunner from Jann Lee or make it a regular throw because he's not a grappler" which is a stupid argument. If you tweet that to TN they might laugh at you. I would. No where in the guide book does it say only grapplers can have those. Like I said you're making up these rules in your head. There is nothing wrong with Jann Lee having that grab. I've been beaten by Ryujin and you don't hear me complaining about it.

That and he doesn't need it in any shape or form, which you still haven;t made the case for. You brisked over that part while you were laughing and getting trashed by Ryujin.

I like dragon gunner, Jann would be last on the list of characters I'd give it to.

 

[Prince Adon]

That and he doesn't need it in any shape or form, which you still haven;t made the case for. You brisked over that part while you were laughing and getting trashed by Ryujin.

I like dragon gunner, Jann would be last on the list of characters I'd give it to.

Uh. You haven't gave any good reason why he don't need it. One of the things that makes him solid IS the dragon gunner. Without it he wouldn't be nearly as good. Do you actually use Jann Lee? Of course not. That's why you wouldn't know that. Or care since obviously this is you personally having issues with beating a good Jann Lee player.I didn't "brisk" over anything since there was nothing to brisk over in the first place. `You're yet to give a good reason to get rid of it. Besides your made up rules and you assuming he doesn't need it because you don't really know anything about the character besides how to lose to him. There is a winning side to the story.

I don't have Jann Lee issues. Only Jann Lee players who are good enough to manage to beat me are Ryujin, Raansu, one other I can't remember name at the moment. Jann is not easy to use, neither. So I hope you're not running around losing to the first noob who throws out a dragon gunner.

Point is this is why you don't ask for "nerfs" unless a character is broken. You can ruin a game. If your character(as character i actually mean you) suck too much to beat a top tier character ask for a buff for your character(although he she might not need it. It might just be your poor display of skill).

 

[Nereus]

Uh. You haven't gave any good reason why he don't need it. One of the things that makes him solid IS the dragon gunner. Without it he wouldn't be nearly as good. Do you actually use Jann Lee? Of course not. That's why you wouldn't know that. Or care since obviously this is you personally having issues with beating a good Jann Lee player.I didn't "brisk" over anything since there was nothing to brisk over in the first place. `You're yet to give a good reason to get rid of it. Besides your made up rules and you assuming he doesn't need it because you don't really know anything about the character besides how to lose to him. There is a winning side to the story.

I don't have Jann Lee issues. Only Jann Lee players who are good enough to manage to beat me are Ryujin, Raansu, one other I can't remember name at the moment. Jann is not easy to use, neither. So I hope you're not running around losing to the first noob who throws out a dragon gunner.

Point is this is why you don't ask for "nerfs" unless a character is broken. You can ruin a game. If your character(as character i actually mean you) suck too much to beat a top tier character ask for a buff for your character(although he she might not need it. It might just be your poor display of skill).

Dat Truth

 

[Doug Nguyen]

Dat Truth

DR2K has given a good reason. He already mentioned Jann lee not being a grappler but having an OH. Its just the people who disagree with him arent agreeing with his reasoning.

 

[DR2K]

Uh. You haven't gave any good reason why he don't need it. One of the things that makes him solid IS the dragon gunner. Without it he wouldn't be nearly as good. Do you actually use Jann Lee? Of course not. That's why you wouldn't know that. Or care since obviously this is you personally having issues with beating a good Jann Lee player.I didn't "brisk" over anything since there was nothing to brisk over in the first place. `You're yet to give a good reason to get rid of it. Besides your made up rules and you assuming he doesn't need it because you don't really know anything about the character besides how to lose to him. There is a winning side to the story.

I don't have Jann Lee issues. Only Jann Lee players who are good enough to manage to beat me are Ryujin, Raansu, one other I can't remember name at the moment. Jann is not easy to use, neither. So I hope you're not running around losing to the first noob who throws out a dragon gunner.

Point is this is why you don't ask for "nerfs" unless a character is broken. You can ruin a game. If your character(as character i actually mean you) suck too much to beat a top tier character ask for a buff for your character(although he she might not need it. It might just be your poor display of skill).

Highest damage output in the game, best ranged game, incredible CB game, relativley safe, etc. . . why add an OH onto this? Turning it into a throw isn't going to make dragon gunner any less invalid. It'll just take away the derp.

Nerfs are going to happen though, Team Ninja is going to listen to the majority, like every game company.

 

[Prince Adon]

Highest damage output in the game, best ranged game, incredible CB game, relativley safe, etc. . . why add an OH onto this? Turning it into a throw isn't going to make dragon gunner any less invalid. It'll just take away the derp.

Nerfs are going to happen though, Team Ninja is going to listen to the majority, like every game company.

As well they should. Nerfs shouldn't happen.

Also your reason is only bad on "paper" in actually matches it's just not. Jann Lee isn't as bad as people make him out to be. Other wise you would see everyone using him which you don't. Some characters just have more mix up than others. I main Lisa. Think about it.

DR2K has given a good reason. He already mentioned Jann lee not being a grappler but having an OH. Its just the people who disagree with him arent agreeing with his reasoning.

That's not a good reason.

 

[Doug Nguyen]

As well they should. Nerfs shouldn't happen.

Also your reason is only bad on "paper" in actually matches it's just not. Jann Lee isn't as bad as people make him out to be. Other wise you would see everyone using him which you don't. Some characters just have more mix up than others. I main Lisa. Think about it.



That's not a good reason.

Well everyone has an opinion. But i think its a pretty legitimate and logical reason, its so far been the least bias and opinionated thing said. So its really just arguing about opinions, which leads to nothing really.

 

[Nereus]

Highest damage output in the game, best ranged game, incredible CB game, relativley safe, etc. . . why add an OH onto this? Turning it into a throw isn't going to make dragon gunner any less invalid. It'll just take away the derp.

Nerfs are going to happen though, Team Ninja is going to listen to the majority, like every game company.

im gonna use an example although the game isn't DOA lol.... They're nerfing marshall law's fury fist rush along w/ his armor in his dragon stance and nerfing his huge meter build (Street fighter x Tekken).... capcom listens to the majority, character is dead/unplayable because he has way too many negative characteristics.... just because the "majority" says so doesn't mean the "majority" is right... half of them are dumbasses who just cry because 1-2 good things are so-called "OP". most characters can get insane damage off of critical bursts. He's fine as is..... leave it that way

 

[Prince Adon]

Well everyone has an opinion. But i think its a pretty legitimate and logical reason, its so far been the least bias and opinionated thing said. So its really just arguing about opinions, which leads to nothing really.

How is my opinion bias? I don't main Jann Lee. I main La Mariposa. There is no "legitimate" reason to nerf Jann Lee. If there is why don't you tell me. I want to know why is that "opinion" legit. I also want to know why mine isn't.

 

[Doug Nguyen]

Dragon gunner isnt his only useful tool, maybe his most abused and easiest tool to use but not the only one. He is pretty safe, got really good unholdable stuns, his dragon gunner of course, really good distance, high damage, so by FSD/Dr. Dogg definition he is very top tier. Dragon gunner becoming a regular throw wont kill him.

How is my opinion bias? I don't main Jann Lee. I main La Mariposa. There is no "legitimate" reason to nerf Jann Lee. If there is why don't you tell me. I want to know why is that "opinion" legit. I also want to know why mine isn't.

I never said your opinion isnt legit, i already stated that everyone one has an opinion, never said you were wrong. I just have my own opinion on it. And i think it doesnt need to be an OH because like i said above and also comparing it to Helena's 214 throw or Hitomi's 6 throw, those grabs just like the dragon gunner are so good with setting up combo's, it creates such an easy achieved loop. And having the dragon gunner be an OH makes it even easier for him.

 

[DR2K]

As well they should. Nerfs shouldn't happen.

Also your reason is only bad on "paper" in actually matches it's just not. Jann Lee isn't as bad as people make him out to be. Other wise you would see everyone using him which you don't. Some characters just have more mix up than others. I main Lisa. Think about it.



That's not a good reason.

Jann Lee is easily one of the best in the game, to achieve a solid balance you have to nerf top tier and buff bottom.

I main Lisa as well. I like gimmick characters.

 

[Nereus]

Jann Lee is easily one of the best in the game, to achieve a solid balance you have to nerf top tier and buff bottom.

I main Lisa as well. I like gimmick characters.

I want you to think about that statement for a minute (no hate intended) " To achieve a solid balance you have to nerf top tier and buff bottom " Done? ok... now provide me a good example of a game that glorifies that statement? In fighting games, you have top tier day 1 then patches come out, there's new tier list, new top tier, nerf,new tier list, top tier, and it repeats itself over and over like your washing you clothes. Patches never fix games... it only hurts them in the long run......

 

[Prince Adon]

Dragon gunner isnt his only useful tool, maybe his most abused and easiest tool to use but not the only one. He is pretty safe, got really good unholdable stuns, his dragon gunner of course, really good distance, high damage, so by FSD/Dr. Dogg definition he is very top tier. Dragon gunner becoming a regular throw wont kill him.



I never said your opinion isnt legit, i already stated that everyone one has an opinion, never said you were wrong. I just have my own opinion on it. And i think it doesnt need to be an OH because like i said above and also comparing it to Helena's 214 throw or Hitomi's 6 throw, those grabs just like the dragon gunner are so good with setting up combo's, it creates such an easy achieved loop. And having the dragon gunner be an OH makes it even easier for him.

Every character has more than one useful tool. And one isn't good without the other. So saying Jann Lee would still be good without dragon gunner is stupid. For the fact that you don't use Jann Lee so you don't even know how "Good" he'll still be.

Dragon Gunner would be useless if it wasn't an OH. Like I said before it always have been an OH. What I said wasn't a opinion. It was fact. Because I have experience with Jann Lee as playing with him and against him. Also I know what he is capable of. There is no reason to nerf him. It still sound like a complaint for people who have trouble fighting him. I have trouble fighting brad wong since I don't run into many good ones I still have to get used to defending against him when I do(damn you Hoods). But you don't see me calling out nerfs.

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Jann Lee is easily one of the best in the game, to achieve a solid balance you have to nerf top tier and buff bottom.

I main Lisa as well. I like gimmick characters.

 

[Doug Nguyen]

Every character has more than one useful tool. And one isn't good without the other. So saying Jann Lee would still be good without dragon gunner is stupid. For the fact that you don't use Jann Lee so you don't even know how "Good" he'll still be.

Dragon Gunner would be useless if it wasn't an OH. Like I said before it always have been an OH. What I said wasn't a opinion. It was fact. Because I have experience with Jann Lee as playing with him and against him. Also I know what he is capable of. There is no reason to nerf him. It still sound like a complaint for people who have trouble fighting him. I have trouble fighting brad wong since I don't run into many good ones I still have to get used to defending against him when I do(damn you Hoods). But you don't see me calling out nerfs.

I was answering to.

"Im gonna use an example although the game isn't DOA lol.... They're nerfing marshall law's fury fist rush along w/ his armor in his dragon stance and nerfing his huge meter build (Street fighter x Tekken).... capcom listens to the majority, character is dead/unplayable because he has way too many negative characteristics.... just because the "majority" says so doesn't mean the "majority" is right... half of them are dumbasses who just cry because 1-2 good things are so-called "OP". most characters can get insane damage off of critical bursts. He's fine as is..... leave it that way"

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Which is why i said he would still be good, no need to use hostile words. And yeah his dragon gunner was an OH, but OH's are not a universal tool now. All other non grapplers lost there OH. From what it seems, OH are a grapplers tool. But thats been said many times, and you dont think its a good reason so this isnt really going anywhere. And i dont have to play a character to know how good they are. Knowledge of what makes a character good is enough.​

 

[Nereus]

I was answering to.

"Im gonna use an example although the game isn't DOA lol.... They're nerfing marshall law's fury fist rush along w/ his armor in his dragon stance and nerfing his huge meter build (Street fighter x Tekken).... capcom listens to the majority, character is dead/unplayable because he has way too many negative characteristics.... just because the "majority" says so doesn't mean the "majority" is right... half of them are dumbasses who just cry because 1-2 good things are so-called "OP". most characters can get insane damage off of critical bursts. He's fine as is..... leave it that way"

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Which is why i said he would still be good, no need to use hostile words. And yeah his dragon gunner was an OH, but OH's are not a universal tool now. All other non grapplers lost there OH. From what it seems, OH are a grapplers tool. But thats been said many times, and you dont think its a good reason so this isnt really going anywhere. And i dont have to play a character to know how good they are. Knowledge of what makes a character good is enough.​

Completely false. Knowing a character's positives w/o his negatives leaves you to believe the character is truly " OP ". Without knowing the negatives or not playing the character yourself, No one can take you seriously.