The Art Style and Graphics Discussion

[Jadeinchains]

You won't regret it. UC4 is the epitome of a AAA game with immense production value for your money.

@KasumiLover69, come on, stop being so passive aggressive. You have been using this thread for some time as an excuse to talk about your fetishes as well as sharing your fetish pics. You weren't really subtle about it and I have given you several hints in the past that it is getting obvious. I was actually wondering when Brute will finally say something. Let's not get this thread locked, alright? So far mods were pretty lenient, even though this thread sometimes came closely to resembling some sort of casual thread.

Yeah seeing that it's so cheap and with this new one coming out I'm really gonna have to consider it. £15 for a game like Uncharted 4 is a great deal. I haven't seen much gameplay for anything about the story either too so It will all be fresh and new too me. Maybe I'll get it this week? If not then atleast this month? ( maybe tomorrow? ) Lol I don't know but seeing that it's so cheap has got me very interested.

About the Kasumi thing I've said a little but what I'll just say too keep us from going off topic is. The vast majority of what you could talk about a game and it's graphics and artstyle and all the little things that come with that from the characters outfits and the way they've created them etc is completely fine. It's just when you start to get a little too into detail about how "It's so tight around their abs" and how it's making you "hot and bothered" that it goes overboard. Everything else is fine though. ( Atleast I'd say anyway but I don't know If Brute think's differently on it? )

 

[Brute]

But anyways I think I'm done with this thread for a while

Well, that didn't last very long.

If it'll make him happy I'll just post pics from here on out and keep them modest or If I do post a more uh...revealing pic I'll just leave it that and won't go into what I think about it truly,

I'm honestly not entirely sure if you're trolling or dumb as a brick, but in any case, you've missed the point completely. I just got done explaining that the primary issue with your posting is that you post a bunch of redundant images which lack analysis that would make them relevant to the thread topic. In response, you propose cutting the commentary altogether while continuing to post the useless slew of pictures? So either you're intentionally being difficult, or you are incapable of following incredibly simple logic. I hoped that social responses would eventually trigger and you'd adjust to conduct yourself more responsibly by your own volition, but clearly that's not going to happen.

I know he's not much a fan of tekken graphics or any of the visuals for games I have posted in here so I know that probably already struck a nerve with him

That doesn't strike a nerve with me. What strikes my nerve is stupidity.

I'm trying to unlock all exclusive character outfits atm so I can do a video project on them once I get what I need, the exclusive outfits have alot better quality imo than the generic outfits, especially those horrid t shirts wasting slots.... and I'm hoping some outfits are hidden like I saw nina in treasure battle mode wearing her story mode suit but it's not in the menus. And some hairstyles like shaved hair weren't available either but they pop up if you unlock them

Instead of laboring everyone with an onslaught of images sans-context, you could just wait until you make said video and then post that. One clean post that conveniently compiles all relevant data on the subject you wish to address would be far preferable to the scattered mess you've been "contributing" thus far. But you didn't opt for that, implying that the science behind your proposed project is not really as important to you as raising your post count and "sharing" what allegedly titillates you.

 

[KasumiLover]

Well, that didn't last very long.


I'm honestly not entirely sure if you're trolling or dumb as a brick, but in any case, you've missed the point completely. I just got done explaining that the primary issue with your posting is that you post a bunch of redundant images which lack analysis that would make them relevant to the thread topic. In response, you propose cutting the commentary altogether while continuing to post the useless slew of pictures? So either you're intentionally being difficult, or you are incapable of following incredibly simple logic. I hoped that social responses would eventually trigger and you'd adjust to conduct yourself more responsibly by your own volition, but clearly that's not going to happen.


That doesn't strike a nerve with me. What strikes my nerve is stupidity.


Instead of laboring everyone with an onslaught of images sans-context, you could just wait until you make said video and then post that. One clean post that conveniently compiles all relevant data on the subject you wish to address would be far preferable to the scattered mess you've been "contributing" thus far. But you didn't opt for that, implying that the science behind your proposed project is not really as important to you as raising your post count and "sharing" what allegedly titillates you.

I'm not stupid, trolling, dumb as a brick. I didn't realize my pics were the only ones being redundant, and I didn't realize they were useless, had I known that I wouldn't have wasted my time even sharing them. And I see, you don't accept my pics I take to show how the game looks in regards to clothing and how the actual character looks, nor do you regard it as "sharing". Not all the pics I've taken have titillated me

The project I'm working on isn't even really for the art and graphics thread and I don't see it being finished anytime soon at the rate the items in game are given to me. And post count doesn't matter to me, if you hadn't noticed I've actually taken a hiatus a few weeks back since I was in a much worse state of mind and I didn't speak at all or reply in certain threads

I don't think I'll post anymore pics if what I've taken from your post is true in regards to what I've put in the thread. I just wanted to share pics and talk, I don't really have anyone else to do this with and I thought it was ok but if it isn't and it's not true contribution to the thread, then I'll cease to do it, I have enough logic to know when I'm not needed

 

[Brute]

I don't think I'll post anymore pics

The last time you made a claim like this it lasted all of 5 hours. At first I thought you were bolding adjectives, but upon a second-look it looks like you're just bolding anything that looks like criticism.

But you should have noted that it's not solely image dumping that's the problem, and that avoiding image dumps alone isn't a free pass to continue your behavior. This, this, this, this, this, and this are no bueno.

 

[Argentus]

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Okay that one actually bugs the hell out of me for two reasons, graphically.


His pecs, and his hair.

his pecs are just oddly modeled. The way they bulge out and the indentations are more along the lines of a bodybuilder than an actual athlete or martial artist.


His hair, this is something that bugs me in all media, games, CG films and traditional animation, is when the hair is static. he is lying on his BACK. How the hell are his bangs shooting straight UP?! I mean I can accept Shonen/anime spiky hair, but i'm talking how they don't have physics enough to fall in the correct direction. This isn't ps1 days. If you are going to have a guy with spiky hair, try your BEST to minimize scenes like this where he's not standing straight up, and for GODS sake don't do a closeup like that.

Also the way the shadows are there looks like he's floating ABOVE the bed rather than resting on it. like he's greenscreened over it.

 

[KasumiLover]

The last time you made a claim like this it lasted all of 5 hours. At first I thought you were bolding adjectives, but upon a second-look it looks like you're just bolding anything that looks like criticism.

But you should have noted that it's not solely image dumping that's the problem, and that avoiding image dumps alone isn't a free pass to continue your behavior. This, this, this, this, this, and this are no bueno.

Other people in this thread go off topic from time to time too but Tyaren already discussed it with me earlier, I'll try to restrain myself from being a horndog when posting pics...im not saying I'm gonna suddenly make my pics more tame but I'll try to keep my more explicit thoughts in check

Here's some pics I took that you'll hopefully find useful and less redundant:

The new particle effects are much prettier and more bountiful than in TTT2

The rest are in spoilers

Spoiler: Devil Jin

The textures on the jeans still impress me plus this is the best and simplest stage to take quality pics in since everything pops out without excess lighting or film grain

Spoiler: Jin Kazama

Spoiler: Eliza

Her new dress called nightmare lolita is well made, the sleeves are nicely animated and they even made the color match the mini hat which is also rendered well. Her long sidelocks kinda ruin the pic since they move strangely during attacks and were downgraded from Tekken Revolution

Spoiler: Extras

 

[Tyaren]

I have to say, the skin texture and shaders look really good, especially on Jin. His character model is done well in general. There you also really see a clear polygonal boost from TTT2/Revolution. The other characters however... :/
What is wrong with their hair by the way? It's just flat, low resolution and they could apparently not afford any transparency?
May I remind us all how great the hair even in the by now many years old DOA5 looked?

Once again Tekken 7:

And here's Injustice 2:

 

[KasumiLover]

I have to say, the skin texture and shaders look really good, especially on Jin. His character model is done well in general. There you also really see a clear polygonal boost from TTT2/Revolution. The other characters however... :/
What is wrong with their hair by the way? It's just flat, low resolution and they could apparently not afford any transparency?
May I remind us all how great the hair even in the by now many years old DOA5 looked?

Once again Tekken 7:

And here's Injustice 2:

The only thing I don't like about tekken 7 models is that the guys seem to have way more detail in their bodies down to the pores, and the girls can sometimes look like wet porcelain which is a bit jarring imo

As for the hair for eliza they kinda just ported her hair into the game without doing much to it so it looks off up close and moves strange. Lilis hair has a bit of transparency at the end but not much and any girls with a sealed or tied hairstyle don't appear to have it since when hair is tied together it seems to all move as a whole instead of tresses and it drapes downward, I think due to the rapunzel number from the ponytail equation, I read about it a year ago

 

[Tyaren]

I think due to the rapunzel number from the ponytail equation, I read about it a year ago

Can you explain what that's supposed to mean?

 

[KasumiLover]

Can you explain what that's supposed to mean?

The higher a persons rapunzel number is in the equation means their hair will drape downward while if it's lower it'll fan up as if like a fan. It's also why ponytails move left to right rather than up and down as well

 

[Tyaren]

A reliable source leaked info to me, that we will see some nice Uncharted 4 screens today.
In the meantime let me showcase some of the beautiful Injustice 2 character models. With the new patch update you are able to take screenshots of your customized characters without HUD or text:

(no back view here, because it's just the cape anyway. )

Take note of the great modelling, the texture and shader work of the different materials, the lighting and clarity of the image. A console game can ideed have great visuals and image quality if it is just optimized properly.

 

[KasumiLover]

A reliable source leaked info to me, that we will see some nice Uncharted 4 screens today.
In the meantime let me showcase some of the beautiful Injustice 2 character models. With the new patch update you are able to take screenshots of your customized characters without HUD or text:

(no back view here, because it's just the cape anyway. )

Take note of the great modelling, the texture and shader work of the different materials, the lighting and clearity of the image. A console game can ideed have great visuals and image quality if it is just optimized properly.

You did a good job on the aquaman screenshots, especially the backside.. they definetly did a good job making all the textures and characters look very solid and not blurry or anything

 

[Tyaren]

You did a good job on the aquaman screenshots, especially the backside...

Well, I thought you might enjoy Aquaman, so I chose to post screens of him.

they definetly did a good job making all the textures and characters look very solid and not blurry or anything

The thing is, that people still have excuses for shitty console ports like Tekken 7. Over on other forums people are actually defending Namco with nonsense like: "The PS4 can't handle these advanced graphics in 60 fps and higher resolution." Lol, there are multiple 60 fps games, with better image quality that do a whole lot more than Tekken 7 and that look better too: Battlefield, Doom, Paragon, Injustice 2 etc.
Honestly, people should boycott such shitty ports. I definitely will. Otherwise the developer isn't going to learn their lesson. I really worry what Namco will dish us up with Soul Calibur 6, if it ever comes out.

 

[Jadeinchains]

A reliable source leaked info to me, that we will see some nice Uncharted 4 screens today.
In the meantime let me showcase some of the beautiful Injustice 2 character models. With the new patch update you are able to take screenshots of your customized characters without HUD or text:

(no back view here, because it's just the cape anyway. )

Take note of the great modelling, the texture and shader work of the different materials, the lighting and clearity of the image. A console game can ideed have great visuals and image quality if it is just optimized properly.

Lol whoever this source is they were correct!

So I'm a little bit into the game not entirely sure how far but I've been trying to hold myself back since I think everyone knows by now that I unintentionally speed run games some times. ( FFX in a week ) so I'm trying to play through the game at a good pace. It's hard to not play more than I should though cause It's just so good! X< I'm already wrapped up in the adventure.

Now I won't get into the story and stuff here cause I think I should leave that for later when I post in the Uncharted thread but the story has been amazing so far and so have the characters! ( Tyaren I definitively like Nate more now that I've played through some and learnt about him more. Also the very little I've seen of Nadine ( yep I've met her ) She's honestly like my favourite character, I love her already!

Anyway I've been taking lots of pictures so here's some of them!

Spoiler

Spoiler

 

[Tyaren]

@Jadeinchains, I knew you were going to like it. Uncharted 4, together with Horizon, is simply the best PS4 exclusive. That is scientifically proven, lol.

Great screens already! It's a shame though that your images are all compressed jpgs. Don't you want to switch to PNG format and use a host site that doesn't compress the screens?
Also, a little tip: If you want to get rid of the film grain, set the film grain to 2% (not 0%). I think the game looks cleanest this way:

 

[Jadeinchains]

Wow! that's insane! It looks like real life, and yeah I'll definitely do that from now on, I usually use imgur but I'll try to find some other site to host the images on!

PS: since I don't have any other images right now I'm writing out my opinions on the game so far on the uncharted thread.

 

[Tyaren]

Wow! that's insane! It looks like real life, and yeah I'll definitely do that from now on, I usually use imgur but I'll try to find some other site to host the images on!

PS: since I don't have any other images right now I'm writing out my opinions on the game so far on the uncharted thread.

www.flickr.com is imo a great free site. That's what I use to host all my pics.

I'm really interested in what you have to say and to revive the discussion about UC4.

 

[KasumiLover]

Didn't you say Injustice 2 used an old Unreal Engine 4 thing too? Imagine Tekken 7 if they would've used that type of engine with the proper time and attention, but I think Tekken 7 could also receive slight graphical updates like they did for Tekken 7 FR

 

[Tyaren]

Injustice 2 uses an optimized version of Unreal Engine 3. So, it's basically less advanced yet delivers better results, especially on consoles. Namco put more effort into the PC version (the arcade version runs on PC architecture too) while treating the console versions as mere afterthoughts.
Considering Tekken was made big on Playstation, that's a big slap in the face and imo inexcusable. Xbox users have it even worse though: 720p resolution and 40 seconds loading times before each match.

I very much doubt there will be any graphical update. The low resolutions, missing or downgraded effects and long loading times already show that the consoles are at the very limit of what they can do with this game.
The FR upgrade imo wasn't a real graphical update, I told you this back then, they just added tons of image post processing, like chromatic abberration, film grain and color shaders. That is imo also a reason why the console version looks so blurry. Without all that stuff it would look more aliased but still cleaner and clearer.

 

[Tyaren]

Speaking about the lacking showing of Tekken 7 on console, let's now appreciate an absolute impressive showing on console with Wipeout Omega Collection. It is one of the first games to run in native full 4K resolution and 60fps on Playstation Pro. And among other games that do too, it is the graphically most demanding.
Here's a great tech analysis by Digital Foundry:

Here are some screens (downsampled to 1080p):

Really impressive! And like most visually impressive looking games, the developer put a photomode in it, to really appreciate it. @Jadeinchains