The DOA5U "Casual" thread. ^__^

[deathofaninja]

Okay. Well... JDE has a picture of a female as his avatar and this confused Master. Which is hard to do. Props to JDE.

(they are probably actually friends and I should probably go to bed)

 

[Brute]

Okay. Well... JDE has a picture of a female as his avatar and this confused Master.

*looks at my avatar* Hm, I don't think that works so well.

they are probably actually friends

JDE is Master's only male friend. Ever. On the whole planet.

What a magnificent bastard he is.

 

[Tyaren]

None of the staples of the DOA series were present.

Instead, we got

Ugly ass grungy red and black menus.
No opening at all.
No arcade mode, only a terrible "story mode".
Ugly, brown, badly textured, simple "box arena" stages with little environment interactivity.
Amateur Rap Night at the karaoke bar. (For the record, no offense to the artist themselves, its just that DOA is not the place for rap).

Exactly what I noticed again yesterday evening, when I played a little DOA3 and glorious DOA2Ultimate:
DOA5 has worse stage textures than a 12 years old Xbox game. How the hell can that even be? x__X' As graphical artists they really should be ashamed of themselves. I unfortunately can't make screenshots on the old xbox, but for example the ground texture of the upper Lorelei floor in DOA3 has like 3 times the resolution than the one in DOA5U. You see no pixels in DOA3 at all. The difference is jarring. Imho the Forest and especially Lost World do look better too...

 

[Baal bal]

I'll go for something like this.

The embroidered Eiffel Tower detail on the sheer fabric at the back just sells it for me if only her hair (both loose and ponytail) wouldn't block it. Maybe a necklace or a colored belt would add up a little more flair to the front.

The front is pretty classic, but rather nice even if i'm not fond of it's strait aspect. The back in an other hand is pretty ugly... Eiffel tower seriously... (If you live in Paris you will get sick of that motif pretty fast...)
It would have been better without it.
I like your idea, but something like this would suit her even more:

Open back is way more French than a dumb Eiffel tower

 

[Baal bal]

Okay Helena fans (and others), what would be the best costume for her provided there is a Casual pack on Tuesday (or later, someday) ? I don't want to start a new thread, but I'm so curious.

Cool fact : that party dress was the French DOA community's favourite a few months ago.

I love this kind of dress. Really beautiful.
But to be honest, i think it would be more appropriated for Kasumi/Ayane/Hitomi (younger girls in short).
In my opinion @Rawbietussin's Idea would suit Helena better than this one.

 

[Awesmic]

So, I figured out how to get MASTER to follow you.

You just gotta be female....

...or @JDE

For the record, there are SIX females in that list.

JDE isn't the only male he's following.

 

[werewolfgold]

Exactly what I noticed again yesterday evening, when I played a little DOA3 and glorious DOA2Ultimate:
DOA5 has worse stage textures than a 12 years old Xbox game. How the hell can that even be? x__X'

Lack of RAM and/or processing power due to higher poly count, lights, particles, and processing? Characters sucking up all the resources? Compression? Or laziness. I dunno.

But bitmaps be huge, yo.

 

[Tyaren]

Lack of RAM and/or processing power due to higher poly count, lights, particles, and processing? Characters sucking up all the resources? Compression? Or laziness. I dunno.

Probably the PS3 being the lead platform too. Team Ninja were famed to get out the best of the xbox hardware. They had great experience. Multiplatform titles usually don't look the best too, because you have to make a lot of compromises here and there to run a game smooth on both systems. People are going to lynch me, but I wished, DOA stayed exclusively on Xbox. >.<' The game would look at least a little better now.

 

[FatalxInnocence]

~ bit late to the game because I've been out all day, and had to sleep ;P ~

When has any character been free for any fighting game? Marie Rose isn't disc locked content, they're literally updating the game for her. So in my eyes, it's fine to place a price on her.

BlazBlue ~ Had 3 DLC characters, all were pay to play. The game had to be updated for them to be added.

MvC ~ Had DLC characters, all were also pay to play. I don't know if they were disc locked though? so I'm not gonna say anything about that.

TTT2 ~ Didn't have DLC characters. All characters in that game were available from the get go, no extra effort went into them creating the characters that were eventually unlocked for all people to play. The characters you got through pre-ordering the game weren't DLC- they were just locked content that was unlocked early for people who pre-ordered the game. This is the route capcom should have took- but whatever.

SFxT ~ Had DLC character, you had to pay for BUT they were on the game as locked content... see, now this is wrong in my eyes. You're paying for the game- if the content is on the disc you have paid for, this isn't entirely fair. You've bought the game as it is- and all content on that disc should be available for free.

I'm not sure if there are others, so I'm not going to go on- but there is NOTHING wrong with them placing a price on Marie Rose for that reason. She isn't disc locked content, she was something created after the games release. They put extra time into her- beyond the time they spent making the game.

Also, I don't see how having DLC characters affects the games balance... you can still get into training against her through the online lobbies... =\ using a character shouldn't affect your ability to VS them with this option. Or you can set the in game details through placing the move details on... so I don't get how this affects the games balance.. but that's just me.

 

[werewolfgold]

People are going to lynch me, but I wished, DOA stayed exclusively on Xbox. >.<' The game would look at least a little better now.

Probably not enough to make a huge deal about, really. Not to mention it wouldn't sell that well in Japan since apparently no one bought an X360 over here...

 

[Rawbietussin]

The front is pretty classic, but rather nice even if i'm not fond of it's strait aspect. The back in an other hand is pretty ugly... Eiffel tower seriously... (If you live in Paris you will get sick of that motif pretty fast...)
It would have been better without it.
I like your idea, but something like this would suit her even more:View attachment 4455
Open back is way more French than a dumb Eiffel tower

I'll be honest that I'm not really fond of black dresses in general and find the front rather too plain. They come off and give a rather formal vibe than anything casual (but that's because black is versatile no matter what occasion). I prefer more color and prints. Eiffel tower prints isn't as common as polka dots, stripes/checkers or florals. I find it unique. Lamar already has a dress with an open back from Dimensions and I don't want to give similar things to 2 or more characters (or the exact replica like Leifang's dress donated to Lisa and Helena).

Most of the casual DLCs looks pretty out-of-character to majority of the cast despite how some of them looks good in it (Mila and Bayman in their trenchcoats, Lisa and Christie in feminine wash commercial dresses, the Bryant siblings in hipster clothes). If anything, I would like to give Helena something OOC myself. Probably something with shorts or jeans on (would be nice to see that for once in her wardrobe). A romper to be precise is what I have in mind. It looks like a dress but it is actually some top + shorts combination that is pleasing enough to both who likes conservative and revealing. I like for her to wear something in this color too.

 

[J.D.E.]

*looks at my avatar* Hm, I don't think that works so well.


JDE is Master's only male friend. Ever. On the whole planet.

What a magnificent bastard he is.

For the record, there are SIX females in that list.

JDE isn't the only male he's following.

I am a male lol.. Just use unique avatars.. And Master was the one who brought me to this website to meet Sorwah, Allan Paris & VirtuaPAI in order to learn the core mechanics/fundamentals of DOA & my main when I was brand new to the entire FGC. I told him that I was going to follow him & he followed me back. That's all that was. lol. Rabies as well.

Even before I began using different avatars.

 

[gnooz]

TTT2 ~ Didn't have DLC characters. All characters in that game were available from the get go, no extra effort went into them creating the characters that were eventually unlocked for all people to play. The characters you got through pre-ordering the game weren't DLC- they were just locked content that was unlocked early for people who pre-ordered the game. This is the route capcom should have took- but whatever.

LOL. Locked means?? Updating a game for her means?? For me they completing a game. Locked characters created with effort too!!! And Tekken have many locked characters so many. Please lets don't be blind. Bob, Zafina, Lars, Alisa all were hard to create same for Kokoro, Brad, Eliot, Lisa but they weren't for sale never. This is new trend they sell the characters and they have stupid excuses. I don't have to fund a game for a new character this is stupid. DLC doesn't mean we have to pay Team Ninja created two new characters(and Momiji and Rachel lets say four) for DOA5 and this is their problem.

 

[Dr Snipe]

LOL. Locked means?? Updating a game for her means?? For me they completing a game. Locked characters created with effort too!!! And Tekken have many locked characters so many. Please lets don't be blind. Bob, Zafina, Lars, Alisa all were hard to create same for Kokoro, Brad, Eliot, Lisa but they weren't for sale never. This is new trend they sell the characters and they have stupid excuses. I don't have to fund a game for a new character this is stupid. DLC doesn't mean we have to pay Team Ninja created two new characters(and Momiji and Rachel lets say four) for DOA5 and this is their problem.

This is why we can't have nice things.

 

[FatalxInnocence]

LOL. Locked means?? Updating a game for her means?? For me they completing a game. Locked characters created with effort too!!! And Tekken have many locked characters so many. Please lets don't be blind. Bob, Zafina, Lars, Alisa all were hard to create same for Kokoro, Brad, Eliot, Lisa but they weren't for sale never. This is new trend they sell the characters and they have stupid excuses. I don't have to fund a game for a new character this is stupid. DLC doesn't mean we have to pay Team Ninja created two new characters(and Momiji and Rachel lets say four) for DOA5 and this is their problem.

You clearly don't get my point. Any time spent after the games release is effort they DON'T have to put in. They could just be like "Ok, done. Moving on" but no, they're putting more time into the game for another character. It's not me who is being blind, it's you who is being greedy. If they do end up releasing her for free, don't act like we're deserving of it- cause we really aren't.

it's also not like we're forced to buy her... if it bothers you that much, don't buy her then. It's not being forced upon you. Like I stated before, it doesn't affect the games balance with the options they have placed in the game. You're able to fight her via training mode + the additional setting to see which moves track, frames etc.

Like I said, on disc content & content created later are two completely different things. Locked content means it's on the disc when you buy it... so they were made the same time as everyone/everything else but then get released at a later stage. Content created later means it wasn't planned, they didn't complete said character by the time of the games release thus release them later and want money for their effort. I highly doubt she was even supposed to release overseas, but people were asking about her so they decided to. And for that I am thankful, and I am willing to pay money for her.

 

[Ivan Osorio]

Look, it's not that you don't make valid points... But, as I see it, comparing a shitty practice by one company to other companies who also do shitty practices does not make said shitty practice OK.

"Everyone else is doing it" is not a good reason for anything. Just saying.


On the "balance" issue, I said that because, for example, if someone is a tournament regular and wants to practice the game with tournament mindset, they are pigeon-holed into buying a character they may not even want for the sole reason of match-up practice. They are, in fact, paying for balance. For the chance to compete on even ground.

 

[J.D.E.]

So, I figured out how to get MASTER to follow you.

You just gotta be female....

...or @JDE

I've been trying to get my screen like this & I can't get my color to change except for the color button on the right corner (top right). How did you do this?

 

[gnooz]

You clearly don't get my point. Any time spent after the games release is effort they DON'T have to put in.

Are you kidding? Don't make a lot of word crowd. You don't understand me I and you can't. Go support your game.

I am saying they supposed to make at least four characters in one game release. They have to do. Because others doing. Is it really hard to understand? You still say those locked ones aren't efforts. I don't want to be rude don't be offended thanks for your post and answer.

 

[FatalxInnocence]

Look, it's not that you don't make valid points... But, as I see it, comparing a shitty practice by one company to other companies who also do shitty practices does not make said shitty practice OK.

"Everyone else is doing it" is not a good reason for anything. Just saying.


On the "balance" issue, I said that because, for example, if someone is a tournament regular and wants to practice the game with tournament mindset, they are pigeon-holed into buying a character they may not even want for the sole reason of match-up practice. They are, in fact, paying for balance. For the chance to compete on even ground.

I don't view it as "shitty practice" though... the fact we get anything for free sometimes is something to be thankful for, as in the real world- you get nothing for free. Look at it this way, if you made a character for a game, you put hours on hours on this character- paid money for people to voice them, had concept artists coming up with the general image- costume designs etc. Would you part with it for nothing? No. And I wouldn't expect you to. So why should we expect the same of them? It's not like she's going to release at the price of a game. She's probably going to be a measly $4-10... which is the price of a McDonalds meal... which is not that expensive.

As somebody who has actually gone over some programs involving character models, it is RIDICULOUSLY hard. It would take them time to simply build the model. Making a character isn't a simple process, and as I stated she isn't on disc content that has been locked- so they worked on her outside the games deadline.

Are you kidding? Don't make a lot of word crowd. You don't understand me I and you can't. Go support your game.

I am saying they supposed to make at least four characters in one game release. They have to do. Because others doing. Is it really hard to understand? You still say those locked ones aren't efforts. I don't want to be rude don't be offended thanks for your post and answer.

I'm not going to argue. I was in a game design course and I understand the way it works. Game developers have deadlines. Marie Rose wasn't apart of the deadline for ultimate. It's that simple. They made her outside of that deadline, and she isn't something that cost nothing to create. I also never stated that characters who are locked on the disc didn't require effort but they were characters made by the deadline hence being on the disc. Which means they're charging you for something that was done by the games release... you're paying for content you already own. There is a difference.

 

[Yurlungur]

Kinda like how Eliot keeps losing.

and yep i just spat out my water everywhere