The Official Dead or Alive 5 Tier List with Discussion thread

P1naatt1ke1tt0

Active Member
Everyone knows gen is god like , whenever anyone puts him in S tier S+++++++ tier none ever complains , but can anyone even give me a good character break down? I mean there's one article with some pretty situational combos , and I highly doubt a few resets eeven if they can net like 50% damage is all it takes to make Gen so good , even if I may say better than jan and lei.Is there any super hidden gen secret I've yet to discover or is it his unbelieveable pressure and damage all it takes to give him his place?8'm only asking here because the gen forums are dead , and no one likes to reply which gives me less and less reason to share tech.

From personal experience playing against Mugglz (a great European Gen player): If I attack high I'm screwed because 3pp 33p CB etc. If I attack mid I'm screwed because god-like parry and 11 frame mid punch. If I try to counter then ultra-fast launcher-throw. If I try to space then that deeply stunning high punch where gen leans back for a second, then punches.

In any case I'm screwed, doing anything against Gen Fu is a 50/50 - if I guess wrong, 50% life gone. If I guess right, then I can set up a Hitomi stun game that MIGHT net some damage, or might as well end up countered somewhere along the way.
 

shunwong

Active Member
If I try to space then that deeply stunning high punch where gen leans back for a second, then punches..

Did you just say gen is good at range? That is far from true.

The only person in this thread that has talked about gen, giving consideration to his weaknesses is somethingunique. The rest is just a lot of OMG gen is OP. Also, see sweet revenge switch to sarah to win a final. Gen fu, as stated by something unique is very good, but one step below top tier.
 

P1naatt1ke1tt0

Active Member
Did you just say gen is good at range? That is far from true.

The only person in this thread that has talked about gen, giving consideration to his weaknesses is somethingunique. The rest is just a lot of OMG gen is OP. Also, see sweet revenge switch to sarah to win a final. Gen fu, as stated by something unique is very good, but one step below top tier.

I didn't say Gen is OP. I was just answering the question of why Gen is considered so good. You're right in that he's not good at range. At least not offensively, but he can still evade ranged attacks well.
 

Rapham0n

Active Member
It was bound to happen sooner or later, although I'd prefer later, but use this thread to view and discuss the most recent tier list.

As a reminder, a tier list does not dictate the winner of a match. It is only a guide used to compare one character's given options throughout a match with the options of another character in the same match. Picking a low tier character does not mean the player is guaranteed to lose against a player picking a high tier character. It simply means that the player playing a lower tier character will have less tools or less options at their disposal than their opponent.

We will be posting the future tier lists based off a character match-up table. You can locate the latest update here as a Google Spreadsheet.

A match up chart is a way to see how a specific character fares against another, presuming all other variables are equal between the players. In addition, it is also presuming that both players are playing the game at its highest level and are completely "on point" throughout the matches. The numbers range from one to nine, where the sum of the two will total ten. A 5-5 match up means the match is completely balanced and can go either way for either character, as every ten matches has one character win five and the other character win the other five. A 9-1 match up means the match is heavily favored towards one character where the opposing character has a very little chance of winning. There is no 10-0 match up.

When the community feels that the match-ups have been set and are generally well agreed upon, then the tier list will be posted based off of that match-up chart. My current aim is to have a new list - if applicable - every three to six months.

If applicable, I will post the Japanese tier lists... if I ever see them (I have never).

So please, begin the (civil) discussions!

Just curious, when was the last time this tier list was updated? Also where can I find the latest Japanese tier list?
 

Reikou

Member
Just curious, when was the last time this tier list was updated? Also where can I find the latest Japanese tier list?

I personally find them on 2ch and similar forums.

Heres the Japanese equivalent of FSD for those interested.

http://jbbs.livedoor.jp/game/55007/

other sources include:

http://fgamers.saikyou.biz/?DOA5

Magazines such as: 闘劇魂 or アルカディア.

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If you read the character ranking threads though, the 3 OP characters as they are referred to are Gen Fu, Jann Lee, and Hayate. There's almost no debate about this there.
 

UncleKitchener

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Standard Donor
She has a 10 frame jab now too. Never liked the character, so I'm constantly going to complain about her.

Perhaps I'll be the new MaxDrago and dethrone him.
 

TakedaZX

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Before 1.03a? That explains why Hayate was in the top... with SE back, he lost most of the stuff that made him "godlike".
 

ailingeternity

Active Member
Yeah, you're right. I still hate the bitch.
Dude study her frame data, she's still unsafe as shit. Be more defensive, punish her mistakes and avoid wake-up against her. You can throw punish about 90% of her BT moves, be thankful you have a character with a great i6 throw.

In terms of her buffs the things you need to watch out for are BT 7P which is unshakable during stun and CH as well as being a CB, 3k4 and it's transitions are safe now, 66pp which bear in mind only causes limbo stun during closed stance (stupid as it is) and 9k which now causes sit-down even on NH and always grants a free launch combo. The changed speed of her i11 jab will only play a factor when initiating fights it's not scary enough to be too much of an obstacle for Bass, she did however greatly need this to keep with with faster characters as before it made her too passive-aggressive. Everything else she got doesn't really contribute to her gameplay imo. I'll be happy to go through with you more things to counter Lisa if you wish.
 

UncleKitchener

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Dude study her frame data, she's still unsafe as shit. Be more defensive, punish her mistakes and avoid wake-up against her. You can throw punish about 90% of her BT moves, be thankful you have a character with a great i6 throw.

In terms of her buffs the things you need to watch out for are BT 7P which is unshakable during stun and CH as well as being a CB, 3k4 and it's transitions are safe now, 66pp which bear in mind only causes limbo stun during closed stance (stupid as it is) and 9k which now causes sit-down even on NH and always grants a free launch combo. The changed speed of her i11 jab will only play a factor when initiating fights it's not scary enough to be too much of an obstacle for Bass, she did however greatly need this to keep with with faster characters as before it made her too passive-aggressive. Everything else she got doesn't really contribute to her gameplay imo. I'll be happy to go through with you more things to counter Lisa if you wish.

http://www.freestepdodge.com/threads/the-throw-punish-thread.2597/

Oh don't worry, her time will come.

Any contribution would be appreciated.
 

DontForkWitMe

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Eliot S tier?

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Prince Adon

Best in the World!!!
Premium Donor
1PK is easy to see coming to react to. 1PP is unsafe and you can throw punish. Only thing you have to worry about is 1P itself and if you can't stop that then tough shit. You people overrate Lisa without knowing how to fight the character.

She is still slow, have to depend on her BT transitions and throws to get in. Learn her transitions, block what she has strong going for her it's not that hard. Anytime I fight someone who actually KNOWS how to play Lisa 1P becomes a problem for her.

Also people need to learn how to use the SS system in this game. It's sad the lack of usage it has.
 
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