Wait, what? Pai has the worst throws in the game? And you're actually being serious? I've read some of your previous posts in disbelief before. Now you're either just full-on trolling or ignorant.
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Something-Unique
Active Member
This thread should be locked and banished permanently after seeing people say Pai does not have good throws. It just goes to show the lack of knowledge the majority have on this game especially since Allan Paris also explained it in his earlier post in the thread which is like a slap to the face to his paragraph.
If I didn't know any better people are just regurgitating info on the most obvious characters often discussed with a serious lack of info on everyone else.
If I didn't know any better people are just regurgitating info on the most obvious characters often discussed with a serious lack of info on everyone else.
Scornwell
Active Member
Einzelkind
Active Member
Christie has the worst throws in the game imo. Her 4T doesn't give her shit, the throw after her roll or 2h+k doesn't give her shit (should be an offensive hold) and her damage output from throws and holds (except for her low punch hold) is abysmal in general. Luckily she has a normal 6T to punish unsafe moves. Would be interesting to see if she had something like the Dragon Gunner.
Omegan Eckhart
Well-Known Member
If I am correct her throw from her roll guarantee's 66K. I have sometimes thought that if Jann Lee's dragon gunner is an OH then Christie's roll throw should be too seeing as it is much harder to use.
Her 4T really should guarantee something, it's strange that it doesn't. Her throw and counter game is the worst in the game in regards to both damage and guaranteed follow ups.
Christie like a lot of characters needs access to real guaranteed damage. Her sit down stuns are too few and don't guarantee enough. Hopefully the patch will make guaranteed damage a universal tool instead of being only available to certain characters.
djynho
Member
Christie's throw from her roll (if not defensively held) "guarantees" 66K, 66P (has a strict timing), Jak 2k2k (will not knockdown, rather will trip stun if opponents don't try to hold. In case they do, delayed Jak 2k * 2k will trip) and Jak 2k6K or jak2kk. The sit down stun from her throw isn't deep enough to truely guarantee anything but as Wah stated, she excels in mix ups and with that many options of her roll throw, I'd say that it's a pretty good throw. Also the throw has enough active frame to catch an opponent with it after she stuns you.
HiguraShiki
Active Member
Ahh, so up to what number would be considered safe?
Omegan Eckhart
Well-Known Member
I don't see how her speed and mix up game compares with characters like Jann Lee who are just as fast and can guarantee huge amounts of damage as well. She may not need heavy sit down stuns but having a limbo stun that only guarantees 6P is stupid. She should be able to land 1PK so she can at least get a basic launch off of it.
I like Christie but I honestly feel she is fairly weak in this game. Her charged punches are easily interrupted and only give her +2, she has (I think) only 2 sit down stuns, one of which is a limbo and as I mentioned it doesn't allow any good follow ups, her throws, counters and damage are weaker than the rest of the cast, her 4T doesn't have any guaranteed follow ups and her 6P has no mix up after the first hit unlike Jann Lee and Kasumi.
Her side step game is really good, she can combo opponents easier than in DOA4 and her mix up is solid but I just don't see how it compares when all she is doing is poking around for minimal pay off that is never guaranteed. The only thing she has up on any character match up wise is her strong side step game.
Guaranteed damage > Mix ups every time.
-5 is punishable by a grappler's neutral grab which is 4 frames and -6 by non grappler's as theirs is 5 frames. This goes for standing and crouching grabs.
dawnbringer
Active Member
For standing moves -6 against grapplers, -7 against everyone else is relatively safe (no guaranteed punish).
Omegan Eckhart
Well-Known Member
Don't her throws and counters have guaranteed follow ups that compensate for the lack of initial damage? Don't ask me for numbers as I don't play Pai, but I have been slapped around by her counters and grabs which I have never been able to slow escape out of.
DR2K
Well-Known Member
From what I've heard she has guaranteed stun, so no.
Omegan Eckhart
Well-Known Member
I don't know about every one of her grabs or counters but she must have some situations that guarantee follow ups as I have never been able to block or slow escape the follow ups to her counters or grabs.
TheLoneMortal
New Member
I'm just gonna quote AP's post on Pai here since some people didn't get a chance to read it, it seems.
Since we're talking about safety, it should be noted that some characters that definitely play like grapplers don't have 4 frame neutral throws like Mila and Bayman. When people say things are unsafe against grapplers, they really mean characters with the 4 frame throw, which are Bass, Lisa, Hayabusa, and Tina.
Anything -5 and worse is punishable by grapplers, so - 6 isn't safe. -6 isn't even safe against non grapplers, and -7 can definitely be punished consistently.
Anything -5 and worse is punishable by grapplers, so - 6 isn't safe. -6 isn't even safe against non grapplers, and -7 can definitely be punished consistently.
dawnbringer
Active Member
You are correct, 4 frame neutral throws are implied in this case.
Neutral throw is not guaranteed to deal damage, so it is not proper punishment. Throw attempt is indeed guaranteed, but it may or may not result in damage dealt.
