I know exactly what you said, lol. I am pointing out the character does have something you do have to respect.
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I know exactly what you said, lol. I am pointing out the character does have something you do have to respect.
And I never claimed to the contrary. Not sure what's so "lol" worthy here.
David Gregg
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I will not deny that his 236T is one of his best assets in 5U but against a player who is familiar with Eliot they know this as well and you can bet Helena's pasties they're going to be more sparing with their holds you're not getting a high counter that often...
I said in CQC, which means Close Quarters Combat, up close and personal. Neither Ayane or Helena have a lot of issues with Sarah in CQC. And both characters can fight Sarah at a distance just fine.
I typed an lol because I can.
How many characters have a 45 damage reset throw on NH, 75 damage throw on NH, as well as good stuns on all 4 levels?
As for it compensating for his shortcomings... Well, I complain about him for a reason. He's bad. I don't think I said that he was good. I said that if you put them in stun somehow, he's a solid character.
EDIT: I looked back and I actually did say "he's not bad," but what I meant was "he's not THAT bad."
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David Gregg
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There's always 6. :/
I'm hoping for Gen Fu to die and pass on his good moves to Eliot. Will be amazing.
David Gregg
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I don't really want his moves though (otherwise I'd play Gen Fu). I just want TN to improve on his weaknesses like you said he has potential but has too many drawbacks that aren't being compensated.
Yurlungur
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That bound makes me laugh so hard, i'm just like "AHHH, I'm going to roll away from you now while you angrily shake your fist at me able to do nothing "
He should be a midweight. Give him a 12 frame mid and a couple unshakable frames of advantage off of his 7P and he'd be doing fine.
Gen. Unless you mean on NH in which case the importance of the different hit levels varies greatly.
1) "He's bad ... [and] ... he's solid" is an oxymoron.
2) "I don't actually think any particular matchup is that bad for him" is basically saying he's good, for most intensive purposes.
In other news, Gen Fu should not be nerfed to Eliot. Nobody should be nerfed to Eliot. That's a terrible thing to say and you should feel ashamed for suggesting it.
*edit: just saw this edit, lol
I already said that Gen Fu is better than Eliot in every way, though. It's not really fair to say a character is worse than Gen Fu.
And that's not an oxymoron 'cause it has conditions. He's solid if and only if you somehow stun someone (or otherwise force them to respect you somehow).
EDIT: Actually, is that even what oxymoron means? =[
And that's not an oxymoron 'cause it has conditions. He's solid if and only if you somehow stun someone (or otherwise force them to respect you somehow).
EDIT: Actually, is that even what oxymoron means? =[
Yurlungur
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No that's a contradiction
something like great low damaging throws is an oxymoron
But at least some characters do specific things better. For example, Ayane spaces better than Gen. Leifang holds and OHs better than Genfu, etc.
Eliot essentially does nothing better.
That's like saying "He's solid if, and only if, you win." If you're getting stuns you can do "ok" with anyone. Absolutely anyone, to varying degrees. The problem is that accessing that stun is such a huge barrier. I in no way consider Eliot solid.
And Yurlunger is essentially right, unless you were to pair the two into one statement/phrase (which is what I was doing in my head). For example: "Eliot is badly solid."
He has parries and holds that lead to mixups. It's not like he literally has no way to start his offense. It's just that he has to commit really hard to do it.
EDIT: REALLY hard.
EDIT: REALLY hard.
Everyone has some way. "Some way" is not synonymous with "solid way(s)."
I didn't say he has a solid way to start offense. I said he's solid once he gets there. I don't know why you're so hung up on this.
You said "he's solid" as in "he's a solid option to select in a fight." And I feel that due to the numerous amount of obstacles in his path, he is not a "solid" choice, simply because his stun game is kinda decent.
I'm detail oriented and possibly OCD.
I didn't, though. I never said that he's a good choice. I said that he's solid under the condition that the other guy is stunned. If the other guy isn't stunned, he's not terrible, just really really bad.