Chapstick
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We're talking about 6K which I'm doing by accident after parries anyhow. The first two sentences still apply though just replace 6P with 6K.
"This ends now. By my hand!" Kasumi's DOA5LR Discussion Thread
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Ah. I would have to go & check that one out again. I'm getting ready to leave.
I'm sure that 4PK still applies to it though, even though you're getting it by accident. 6K would launch with anything being -15 or more, but sometimes whiff in certain situations to which I don't understand, either. At 1st, I was thinking that it was a stance issue, but looked again one day, it just whiffs.
RenderingStar
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6K has a horrible hitbox in general for example I will 236T and try and use 6K and she will just whiff.....
Allan Paris
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@Chapstick
The hitbox on 6K is exactly where her knee is and does not extend out. Which is why it now whiffs after 236H+P because the hitbox was lowered on it after one of those patches the game received.
When it was lowered it prevents some characters from going completely under it or through her with mids and lows with no crush properties. The downside to that is, some of her juggles are screwed because of it. In 2u you use to be able to put characters in a sit-down stun and extend the stun with 6K beyond point blank range.
That video is showing the issues with 6K that have always been there since DOA4. In 2U and 3 the kick was fine. The hitbox that it use to have is now reduced to just her knee. So when you play against a character and their hurtbox shifts when they guard, stand neutral and it's evasive, or a situation where a space is calculated and dictated by the game. Kasumi will do just what she did in that video every time with 6K.
Try to slow down with your inputs so you don't get 6K after a parry. You can be counter poked if it whiffs.
The hitbox on 6K is exactly where her knee is and does not extend out. Which is why it now whiffs after 236H+P because the hitbox was lowered on it after one of those patches the game received.
When it was lowered it prevents some characters from going completely under it or through her with mids and lows with no crush properties. The downside to that is, some of her juggles are screwed because of it. In 2u you use to be able to put characters in a sit-down stun and extend the stun with 6K beyond point blank range.
That video is showing the issues with 6K that have always been there since DOA4. In 2U and 3 the kick was fine. The hitbox that it use to have is now reduced to just her knee. So when you play against a character and their hurtbox shifts when they guard, stand neutral and it's evasive, or a situation where a space is calculated and dictated by the game. Kasumi will do just what she did in that video every time with 6K.
Try to slow down with your inputs so you don't get 6K after a parry. You can be counter poked if it whiffs.
Lulu
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Are you saying that they changed the hit box on
so that her Hoshinpo Parry works like the Grapplers Advantage Throws (its a Force Guess Situation between blocking high, low or striking out of a throw) to get rid of or limit guarantees ?
Allan Paris
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No, that hitbox is changed because they want it to look and function a certain way. The advantage she has as well as the spacing after a parry determines what she gets guaranteed. The opponent needs to be at -7 or -8 for her to get 6P guaranteed after her parry. Anything less, then yes, it becomes a guess between what you want to do and how your opponent responds to it. It is nothing like the Grappler's advantage throws when they are broken.
Chapstick
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Finally got around to uploading this showing open space vs a wall. In open space she goes into the opponent with the move, against a wall the opponent acts like a wall blocking her from moving forward. Someone should tweet this video at Team Ninja or something, that's why they changed the launch height on 4KP isn't it?
Seriously, sometimes you really can just be like:
KING JAIMY
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If you pause the video at the right moment, you can see him crouching for a split-second.
I see no such thing.
KING JAIMY
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You can see it right after he is done slow escaping. Just before the timer hits 0:04 in the video. I admit it's hard to see, but it looks like a fuzzy guard.
Allan Paris
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Lol yeah they definitely ducked in that video. Look at her knees go down then up as 8K was done. That was not an intentional Fuzzy Guard either lol. That was how they were slow escaping on their d-pad. A Fuzzy Guard would not have look like that.
I guess for lighter characters in certain areas the string refloating does some good. Who knows with that buff. I stopped using since the ender became a high. Especially when they made it unsafe again.
I guess for lighter characters in certain areas the string refloating does some good. Who knows with that buff. I stopped using since the ender became a high. Especially when they made it unsafe again.
UprisingJC
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I barely use PPPPP or 3PPP when putting pressure on my opponent-_- The last follow-up is just terrible.
However, some people may just try to punish you with a throw after blocking PPPP/3PP.
However, some people may just try to punish you with a throw after blocking PPPP/3PP.
Lulu
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I barely use PPPPP or 3PPP when putting pressure on my opponent-_- The last follow-up is just terrible.
However, some people may just try to punish you with a throw after blocking PPPP/3PP.
Its that elbow.... I don't know if its just my imagination but the hit box on it feels abit Wonky....... its got good range but terrible reach.... if that makes sense.... its most noticeable during wall slams.
Edit: I'm getting weird Results trying to pull off Kasumi's Teleport Cross Up Combo..... you know..... the one where Kasumi manages to dash Underneath her Opponent and juggle them in the opposite direction. It seens like on Mid Weights its suppose to work if I launch them with the Flash Kick at Critical Level 2.... but Kasumi doesn't always successfully Dash Underneath the opponent and in some instances if she does manage to cross them up She punchs in the wrong Direction.
Could I get around this issue by upping it to Critical Level 3 instead ?
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Lulu
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Kasumi's Guard Breaks are interesting..... two of them have the Ability to put her into her Hoshinpo Stance..... doing so grants her a small advantage.
However that advantage only applies to whatever moves she can perform while still in that Stance.......
Guard Breaking into Hoshinpo Stance then doing nothing makes Kasumi deceptively unsafe......
It seems like only her Wall grants her a genuine advantage for all her regular moves. One can get very Crafty with this knowledge in the Forest Stage with all those Trees.
However that advantage only applies to whatever moves she can perform while still in that Stance.......
Guard Breaking into Hoshinpo Stance then doing nothing makes Kasumi deceptively unsafe......
It seems like only her Wall
grants her a genuine advantage for all her regular moves. One can get very Crafty with this knowledge in the Forest Stage with all those Trees.
panicitstylor
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Basically all of Kasumi's GBs are fake, and she can be grabbed out of 66PP and 9PK into _6. It's really annoying.
Lulu
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Basically all of Kasumi's GBs are fake, and she can be grabbed out of 66PP and 9PK into _6. It's really annoying.
WoW really ?
Do that many people already know those aren't advantageous guard breaks ?
I thought you could still use it as a Bluff.