System Unholdable setups

[Matt Ponton]

Been going through all of the characters for the 214P W! loop.

Guess who wants to break the mold?


W!

In generall your three options for whiffing are , any , and . 29, 30, and 31 frames respectively.

 

[UncleKitchener]

Found new unholdables for Alpha:

W! (including ) > > / (Whiff) >
> > > / (Whiff) >

It's rather easy to pressure this character after knockdown in general.

 

[Matt Ponton]

Because of the exceptions I've been going character by character to see if the unholdable works on whatever. Should be noted that yes the setup is universal with . will cause the same wall state as wall hit so you can start the loop with a 6KP W! as well. Will update as I finish the middle weights out.


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[Matt Ponton]

Finished testing the characters. I believe the above are accurate.

All Super Light, Light, and Welter weight classes with the exclusion of Ayane and Sarah are setups.

All Middle, Cruiser, and Heavy weights with the exclusion of Lisa, Nyotengu, and Tina are setups (I started doing Mid K hold due to it being perfect to roll a buffer).

All Super Heavyweights are setups

Lisa, Nyotengu, and Tina are a setup
Sarah is a setup
Ayane is a setup.

Edit: getting some inconsistencies with Gen Fu. Sometimes getting to work, other times getting to work. This could just be a mistiming thing for me, but he's the most inconsistent character for these setups. Figures.

 

[Matt Ponton]

Not really an "unholdable", but might be related so putting this in here for now.

Found a possible avenue for setups. Nothing egregious right now, but is potential option. I found it didn't work on Bass but did work on Ayane, making me think the setup is similar to our setup differences, or just a weight class difference.

On Ayane:
W! W!

If the opponent does not tech when hitting the ground (even when attempting a WUK) he gets pick-up and is +13 or +9. If they do tech then he's +2.

= 27F
So far this method seems to work on everyone Super Light weight to Welter Weight.

Currently getting sporatic results with whiffing attempts on medium weights. Could be my buffering issues but is something to consider.

 

[charisma]

Unholdable wall splat: 9k, 33p, fully charged 1P+K.

EDIT:
6kp(W!)33p, fully charged 1P+K
Ch 3k(W!), 33p, fully charged 1P+K
Sumo stomp(W!), 33p, fully charged 1P+K
Guard breaker(W!), 33p, fully charged 1P+K

PK(W!), 33P, fully charged 1P+K

 

[charisma]

Unholdable wall splat: 9k, 33p, fully charged 1P+K.

EDIT:
6kp(W!)33p, fully charged 1P+K
Ch 3k(W!), 33p, fully charged 1P+K
Sumo stomp(W!), 33p, fully charged 1P+K
Guard breaker(W!), 33p, fully charged 1P+K

After further review, if you do his (full charge) 1P+K and it wall splats you can do 33p and loop it all over again. WONDERFUL!!!! An if they block you are +24!

 

[Matt Ponton]

And isn't 1P+K strong enough to beat wake-up kicks?

 

[charisma]

And isn't 1P+K strong enough to beat wake-up kicks?

Yes sir it is.

 

[Matt Ponton]

Yes sir it is.

haven't tested it but i imagine with a single hit W! combo the weight requirement for this one is universal?

 

[charisma]

haven't tested it but i imagine with a single hit W! combo the weight requirement for this one is universal?

Yes i just checked, it works on all weights.

 

[Matt Ponton]

Shown off in this video:
W! WR :

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All Character Unholdable Setups

Seems like a legit option as Bass in Back-turned I think has more devastating nitaku than him being front facing at +3.


Edit: Did some tests:

You can do the same unholdable with just a Wall Juggle. If from kitchen sink (opponent back-turned) into wall, you can only do it if it's a W! , not a

 

[UncleKitchener]

Same works with .

WR is a pretty cool option. My only issue with it is that it's high and in this game you can recover into crouch instantly.