Using Online Tournaments to push Offline Events?

[Raansu]

I believe he is referring to DID7. I'm not sure if everything he said applied there, but I think it was his first offline event. Manny had four setups for DOA4, but one of them was running 4.0 instead of 4.1. Yes, competitors played their matches on it without realizing it was running the wrong version.

I let that one slide because the 360 that was originally there red ringed. Still funny that people played and didn't notice it was 4.0. Those monitors though...holy crap the lag was bad on them. Most of D i D 7 can be chalked up to bad planning. At least we got to speak with TN though.

 

[d3v]

I'm pretty sure people from outside the community wouldn't be looking at DOAW and acknowledging that as a competitive hive. At least.... god I'd seriously hope they wouldn't.

In any case, best option would be to put FSD on the forefront of people's minds when it comes to DOA.

 

[UncleKitchener]

Well, the more you make good impressions, the more people are going to forward new players to FSD. It's pretty much a no brainer.

 

[Game Over]

It would certainly help to get FSD established with the FGC as the "main" site for DOA competitive play, by having the far majority of offline players concentrate here. Then, people would look here, first, when looking for happenings in the community, and see TKP as a side site or something.

Like, aren't there a number of MK sites, but the only "main" ones are TestYourMight and MortalKombatUnited?

 

[Matt Ponton]

Thread (finally) split into a new thread as the original topic for the old one had gotten so derailed. Game Over, let me know if you want the title to be changed.

I would have done this sooner if I actually had network access over the holiday - I was limited to my mobile phone access.

 

[DrDogg]

I'm not concerned with DOAW. That's like MK Online, which is the casual MK site. They can do whatever they want because it doesn't have an impact on the competitive scene.

The problem with TKP is that people still associate Manny as one of the voices of DOA. That won't be a bad thing if he has the same agenda that the rest of us do. I think it'd be a very good first step for him to show that he's for the competitive scene instead of against it, if he confirms that TKP will not be running online tournaments for the first three months DOA5 is available.

I'd like to give him the benefit of doubt and assume that he will do this... but then I think about Morris and the fact that he'll rarely say anything negative about DOA, including online play and online tournaments. Morris has done a lot for the DOA community, but he's just too pro-everything. You can't move forward like that.

 

[Game Over]

Thread (finally) split into a new thread as the original topic for the old one had gotten so derailed. Game Over, let me know if you want the title to be changed.

I would have done this sooner if I actually had network access over the holiday - I was limited to my mobile phone access.

It's fine. I've got no issues with the title.

 

[Game Over]

The problem with TKP is that people still associate Manny as one of the voices of DOA. That won't be a bad thing if he has the same agenda that the rest of us do. I think it'd be a very good first step for him to show that he's for the competitive scene instead of against it, if he confirms that TKP will not be running online tournaments for the first three months DOA5 is available.

I'd like to give him the benefit of doubt and assume that he will do this... but then I think about Morris and the fact that he'll rarely say anything negative about DOA, including online play and online tournaments. Morris has done a lot for the DOA community, but he's just too pro-everything. You can't move forward like that.

But wouldn't their influence with people be reduced anyway by the videos put out by Tom Brady? Seems to me that if they are the only ones promoting online tournaments at the start, while EVERYONE ELSE notable within the community is promoting the offline events, then they can easily be disregarded by most serious competitive players.

 

[Tenren]

EVO threw online qualifiers because they knew that there are skilled players who cant make it to EVO. I doubt they do this for other games other then SF. But I remember hearing I think it was Alex Valle during SCR, about getting together with other sponsors this year and going to smaller offline tournaments. They are doing this to help players who cant make it to EVO by offering being cash prizes and EVO trips

with offline vs online. I've always been for offline. But with no tournaments being run all we have is online. What we need is people hosting doa4 tournaments before doa5 hits. Both online and offline. Offline may only pull 10 people. Of thos 10, 1 maybe a actual good player. But its getting the name back out there.

 

[Game Over]

with offline vs online. I've always been for offline. But with no tournaments being run all we have is online. What we need is people hosting doa4 tournaments before doa5 hits. Both online and offline. Offline may only pull 10 people. Of thos 10, 1 maybe a actual good player. But its getting the name back out there.

If momentum is to be built up leading into the release of DOA5, it has to be focused predominantly on offline events. Be it tournaments, or simple gatherings, momentum needs to be built offline. As agreed upon by various members here, anything done online would only cause more problems than it's worth, and the type of events going on around the release of DOA5 will be CRITICAL to the future success of the game.

Bottom line, ALL online events need to be put on HOLD to give DOA5 a real shot at being a viable offline game.

 

[DrDogg]

with offline vs online. I've always been for offline. But with no tournaments being run all we have is online. What we need is people hosting doa4 tournaments before doa5 hits. Both online and offline. Offline may only pull 10 people. Of thos 10, 1 maybe a actual good player. But its getting the name back out there.

I understand what you're going for here, but there's really no reason to do anything at all with DOA4. Even the competitive DOA scene doesn't like DOA4. All you'd be doing is drawing attention to that fact and giving people a reason to not try out DOA5.

Basically, DOA5 has to be speak for itself. From a competitive standpoint, if the game is good, people will play it. If the game is not good, then all you'll have is online because there won't be enough people playing to bother with offline events. But at that point, it won't matter.

But wouldn't their influence with people be reduced anyway by the videos put out by Tom Brady? Seems to me that if they are the only ones promoting online tournaments at the start, while EVERYONE ELSE notable within the community is promoting the offline events, then they can easily be disregarded by most serious competitive players.

Brady talked about DOAC... which is now gone. Most people outside of the DOA community won't realize that TKP = DOAC. But you're correct that the serious players will just move away from TKP if they're the only site trying to host online tournaments.

 

[Game Over]

Brady talked about DOAC... which is now gone. Most people outside of the DOA community won't realize that TKP = DOAC.

Yeah, but in his videos, he also mentioned Master (and Morris) specifically in a negative light. Which is why I'm thinking people would disregard TKP if they see Master at the forefront of it ... assuming, of course, a lot of people watched (or will watch) those videos.



(NOTE: I'm not personally hating on Master or Morris, I'm just saying this in observation of what's been posted by others)

 

[Belinea]

As someone still relatively new to the DOA community, who exactly is Morris and what is his background? All I ever see is talk about Manny.

... assuming, of course, a lot of people watched (or will watch) those videos.

I've tried several times, I really have, but it's just too much whining to get through. It would be great if his main points were written down somewhere though, as I do have an interest in the history of the DOA community.

 

[Awesmic]

As someone still relatively new to the DOA community, who exactly is Morris and what is his background? All I ever see is talk about Manny.

Morris is otherwise known around here (and on other DOA-related sites) as Dahlsim. He was the head admin of DOA Central (and I believe TKP currently).

 

[Game Over]

As someone still relatively new to the DOA community, who exactly is Morris and what is his background? All I ever see is talk about Manny.

I've tried several times, I really have, but it's just too much whining to get through. It would be great if his main points were written down somewhere though, as I do have an interest in the history of the DOA community.

Yeah, as Awesmic said, Morris is the main guy responsible for hosting/maintaining the DOAC site, and is now working on moving everything from there to the new site TKPlayers. He also played a key part in building the DOA scene in the Dallas area, and getting DOA into televised events like CGI and CGS.

In Tom Brady's videos, if you can manage to listen to the full set, there is a portion where TB goes into some rather sketchy decisions made surrounding events like CGI, and what opportunities went to what players. These are things that served to bring some negative light upon the DOA community as some things seemed to revolve a little TOO much around Master.

 

[H2OEvil]

You can expect DOA5 tournaments out of me when DOA5 hits..

 

[Game Over]

You can expect DOA5 tournaments out of me when DOA5 hits..

Offline?

 

[H2OEvil]

online.. I cant afford to hold one really tbh

let alone have people come to the North east part of CT

 

[Rikuto]

Would kind of prefer if you didn't right away.

 

[Game Over]

Yeah Evil. This has been discussed in DETAIL recently. DOA5 will benefit the MOST by having OFFLINE events be the focus from the start, while online events are held back till AFTER the first few (~3-6) months. The game will be given a shot at a number of offline majors (confirmed by DrDogg) upon release, and might have a chance of making EVO if enough player interest is shown. But that won't happen if the FGC gets the impression the DOA community continues to take online play seriously.

Bottom line, DO NOT run any online tournaments until the game gets established solidly offline, or is not getting steady offline support.