Argentus
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to be fair, there's not really any room for interpretation with "spam". Either you were, or you weren't.
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Indeed but to at least half of the people that you meet online the words spam and button mashing covers any tactic that involves constant pressure - even if you consistently mix up your attacks if you land a high percentage of your attacks they will whine about imaginary spam, and if you do this and manage to hit them very frequently they will allege button mashing in delusion. Since they suddenly lose their grasp of the English language and can't seem to make up their mind which delusion the want to go with I just laugh at them or roll my eyes and move on. That was sarcasm if you didn't notice BTW.
spam: (v) - any action that one takes to keep pressure on another player in a fighting game
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Argentus
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yeah the reality is just "spam = doing the same exact thing over and over and over and over with little to no mixup/variety"
Trust me, I get it a lot too, from people who think i'm spamming grabs because they don't understand that Mila mounts off everything lol. Not actually doing the same grabs.
All of Ryu's Izunas are initiated in different ways. Yet some people like to claim he's "all the same."
eheheheheheh
People tend to complain alot online XD
Just ignore them XD
Just ignore them XD
Rikuto
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But how do you define spam? Mathematically? It varies from person to person, and is no different than the old school scrub's cry of the word "cheap!"
The word Spam should only be used in the kitchen.
Argentus
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oh no its still fully possible, its just easily punishable lol. At least in theory. I mean, spamming 2p was the entire premise of the vanilla Mila infinite, right? Or like how most rachels just spam her one juggle loop over and over. Or how in MK9, Reptile players spam his dash because its so fast it interrupts virtually EVERYTHING, or projectile spammers, or people who just spam one setup/combo over and over.
Whether you can deal with it or not, or even if its working or not, spam is still spam.
Rikuto
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Genra's projectiles leave him at extreme disadvantage, therefore they cannot be repeated without intervention. It is no more possible for them to be "spammed" than any other attack in the game.
Fun little story about spam: at the first DiD to have DoAD as a game (I forget which), I had a tournament match against a guy and his girlfriend. I consider her an active participant in the tournament because of what went down. Anyway, he was playing Christie and I was playing Hayabusa. At the start of the first round, I tossed out his fireball, which the guy then chose to block for some reason. Seeing this, I made a mental note and started fighting somewhat normally. Anyone who has fought me in a tournament knows I either play without caring what happens but still taking it somewhat seriously, or I actively coach my opponents on how to beat me. @Desjah Rei and several others from here can attest to this.
Continuing on, I eventually got bored and decided to simply throw out the fireball over and over because he refused to free step it and it guaranteed 66k at certain ranges if blocked due to the guard break. I won handily, though I could have by fighting normally, and was incredibly amused. The guy wasn't happy he lost but was relatively graceful in accepting the loss, knowing it was really his fault. I think at one point I even yelled across to him to free step it and he just didn't. His girlfriend, on the other hand, went full six-year-old-losing-at-Candy-Land on me. I was accused of spamming, told I wasn't being fair, and a whole mess of other fun things. I smiled, apologized that she felt that way, and shot the guy a look before walking away.
Point is, "spamming" is only a negative thing to people who don't understand. Had I done that to @Rikuto or someone similar, I would have been thanked for the free openings.
Change and dollars into the top hat, please.
Continuing on, I eventually got bored and decided to simply throw out the fireball over and over because he refused to free step it and it guaranteed 66k at certain ranges if blocked due to the guard break. I won handily, though I could have by fighting normally, and was incredibly amused. The guy wasn't happy he lost but was relatively graceful in accepting the loss, knowing it was really his fault. I think at one point I even yelled across to him to free step it and he just didn't. His girlfriend, on the other hand, went full six-year-old-losing-at-Candy-Land on me. I was accused of spamming, told I wasn't being fair, and a whole mess of other fun things. I smiled, apologized that she felt that way, and shot the guy a look before walking away.
Point is, "spamming" is only a negative thing to people who don't understand. Had I done that to @Rikuto or someone similar, I would have been thanked for the free openings.
Change and dollars into the top hat, please.
David Gregg
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The only time I ever got frustrated and felt like my opponent was "spamming" was when DOAD came out. I was frequently frustrated going against online Genra's b/c I felt like I had to always be on my toes with their projectiles. But once I realized a lot of it could be sidestepped it made fights more enjoyable.
Argentus
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um...no. Not even close. Whether someone can deal with it or not is completely irrelevant.
Saying is usually just the stonewall excuse spammers give to defend themselves when called on it.
It doesn't matter if you win or lose, or can or cant deal with it, spamming is still just spamming. The only arguable point is how much repetition qualifies as spamming, and even that's usually pretty commonly agreed upon, not by a definite number, but by nature of the act.
Well, I'm sorry, I guess its also arguable, when someone misunderstands multiple setups leading to the same results. That's not spam. Using the SAME setups over and over again would be however. (Like say, if I only did the SS tackle with Mila, rather than doing it off a wide variety of situations like I usually do). I guess you could argue that I spam down grabs when they downed, though. Not sure if that really qualifies.
No......that was you spamming fireballs, an inarguable fact lol. You were indeed spamming fireballs. The "Why" doesn't matter, or excuse it. It's just that nobody likes being CALLED a spammer, so they'll dig up any reasoning or excuse to try to say it wasn't spamming, but the catch is that you can't really argue it. Either you were, or you weren't. Where you doing multiple things that resulted in a fireball? No, you were doing ONE thing, over and over. That is spam, no excuses or explanations are going to change that.
The only two ways (I can think of) to defend that you are not spamming are if
1) You actually are not, like the Mount example above, and the other person thinks you are because they don't understand its a different move.
2) Someone is trying to say you spam a defensive move like Holds, which, by definition, is only viable in response to them spamming something else first.
One of those is non spam being confused for spam due to misunderstanding movesets. The other is in response to prexisting spam.
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But anyways, back on topic. Played a match with somebody earlier. They spent the entire time screaming "faggot" into the mic because they kept getting held. Hate people like that.
Also why do I keep coming across people who just spam PPPPPPPPP.....? Or alternately, KKKKKKKKKKK.....?
That's a large wall of text to say "The way other people do the same thing a lot is spam, but the way I do it is not."
I highlighted the relevant sections in red for easy reading.
d3v
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What I don't get is why people treat being called "spammers" as if it were a bad thing. If someone calls you a spammer, turn around and thank them because, first it means that they're a scrub, but more importantly, it means that you're on the right true path, that is, PLAYING TO WIN.
You discovered a move that they had no answer for and then used that move to beat them. The fact that they weren't able to deal with it is their fault, not yours.
Dunno why people still cling to spamming being "bad", when even the developers don't think so (since it's still allowed in game). Heck, the old official tutorial videos for SF2 Turbo from Capcom taught Ryu players to spam low short against Dhalsim since it stuffed all his moves except for his air drill.
You discovered a move that they had no answer for and then used that move to beat them. The fact that they weren't able to deal with it is their fault, not yours.
Dunno why people still cling to spamming being "bad", when even the developers don't think so (since it's still allowed in game). Heck, the old official tutorial videos for SF2 Turbo from Capcom taught Ryu players to spam low short against Dhalsim since it stuffed all his moves except for his air drill.
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Argentus
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right?! Spamming in and of itself isn't bad, its just....don't sit there trying to act like Spamming isn't a thing. That's what gets under my skin.
Well okay that's not true, nobody actually likes dealing with spam. Either because they are frustrated that they don't know how to deal with it, or because its just plain boring and therefore no fun to deal with.
But to honestly try to claim that spam isn't a real thing? What the fuck kinda head up the ass denial is that? You deliberately do a single action over and over, then turn around and try to claim you weren't doing exactly that?! People try to act like just because its in their favor, that somehow makes it not spam. No, its still spamming. Its plain scrubby to try to claim that its not.
Whatever, lets get this back on topic.