Why do so many people dislike the VF cast?

[PhoenixVFIRE]

I'll just say straight up, I use to hate fighting against the VF characters simply because of unfamiliarity. The only person I still dislike fighting against is Jacky, and really good Sarah players give me a headache but the shit she can do is fun to watch and I wish I could do it, I'll admit.

 

[Lulu]

I'll just say straight up, I use to hate fighting against the VF characters simply because of unfamiliarity. The only person I still dislike fighting against is Jacky, and really good Sarah players give me a headache but the shit she can do is fun to watch and I wish I could do it, I'll admit.

I know Right !!! And then you go their their combo challanges, look at the commands and you're like WTF !!!!!!

I just get so green with Envy sometimes.

I'm like that snotty nosed brat who can't afford ice cream but keeps screaming: "BUT I WANT IT" as if thats a good reason.

Except for me its not the VF Characters (even though I'm alil Jealous of Sarah), its Hayabusa and my very own Tina..... yep I haven't even mastered my main.

 

[Xernuht]

Funny enough, now that I've played against more VF players, I know what I hate about the VF characters.

Their game plan is almost entirely different in DOA than VF. Having played against or as all of the guests in their home game, it drives me up the wall.

 

[DestructionBomb]

They have weaknesses, everyone in the cast likely do. (Obviously different than the other) and requires an understanding of the game. The only one that I can truly understand on people having troubles on a "visual" aspect is Sarah. What I mean on a visual aspect, I am not speaking of twerkyness or whatever that nonsense. I am speaking on her character design and how she is played. For example, her P+K or 4P+K. If she performs this on block she looks like she is at a disadvantage.

Now the most obvious scenario on how the human brain is: "Hey, her leg is up and doesn't seem like she can block, she's probably unsafe now so let me hit a button he- Boom. You are incorrect, she is not unsafe there. She hit a button while she was at +4 or +1" mind you, even I fell for this plenty of times in the past. Because of that fact, there is a barrier there with the brain that always assumes she is unsafe there and hitting buttons you are not suppose to. Is that entirely your fault? No. Now is that the game and Sarah's fault? No again. It's how she was designed.

The most difficult situation to bypass this is how the player is willing to learn from this and remembering it. There is no shame if you were at the moment of "Dammit, I know she's positive there but I still decided to do a strike because............fuck, her leg is up and I thought she was unsafe alright?" This is totally cool, no shame in that. I thought she was unsafe with that move plenty of times . I always tell people to please hit the lab and do those corresponding moves of Sarah and remember it. Seriously, remember how it looks and know that you cannot always hit a button there because she is at advantage. Sarah's doom of receiving hatred grew from hitting buttons in areas you are not suppose to or just running into the fray and playing visually. She kills buttons, BUTTON KILLER, She became a devil for this. (Even I don't like her much either but I can totally see where people are coming from with her.) You can sit there and look at it and say "That's advantage? fucking hilarious." << I said this one time because it looks rather silly and weird to even be advantage, but I am not so ignorant to just sit there and take it, No..I wanna win. Since I know it's advantage, I would think twice to hit a button there and shove a stick up Sarah's ass real hard once she decides to hit a button after I block the next strike.

Seriously, after accumulating a habit in telling my brain not to hit a button there, it worked.

 

[Lulu]

It took me a while to accept this whole she is always at advantage thing....... I thought it was unfair that she was pretty much plus on everything.... So I just took all the VF characters out of the random filter and went on my merry way. GENIUS !
Ofcourse I finaly calmed down and looked at what moves I had that could get around this problem..... from there I look into what I could try if I didn't have that particular move with other characters.

 

[DualWielding]

Pai and Sarah are just not on the same level as the DOA girls from a fanservice point of view, I'm sure that has something to do with it even if people are not willing to admit it,,,

With that said, even though I don't really care for the VF characters one way or the other, their inclusion was worth it if only for the epic Kokoro/Akira scene in the story mode... Funniest thing I've seen in a video game..

 

[Leifang2000]

I LOVE the VF cast !!!

 

[Nameless Sama]

It´s a really pointless Thread. People will always find ways to complain. The VF Characters give the game new color as guest characters and besides DOA gets more Attention , because people are able to play their mains in DOA. Your arguments / reasons to dislike the VF Characters is not really decisive. What should bring this thread ? I agree with DBomb and with the others who are against it.

Well , I dont want to waste my energy and repeat what is already told , is not worth the effort. I just want to say , that the VF Characters are more interesting than most of the DOA cast. In my opinion was it a great decision to bring the VF Cast. So I could learn more about the VF characters. People , who have no clue about VF Characters should be quiet , because it stinks when they begin to talk and the audience should be spared because of that.

Akira , Sarah , Jacky and Pai are respective and insperation characters.
I have really big respect to them.


" Akira is the most easiest character ever " is one of the stupidst things I ever read and witnessed in my life. Like I said , people will always find ways to complain. Sadly most of the time they search the faults by others instead looking themselves.


For people , who are lazy to read all the pages here are a little summary.

All in all and summarized. People , who cant deal with the VF characters get salty and search ways to complain about so useless stuff , like Sounds etc. They are so blind by their arrogance , that they dont see the positive of the guest characters. The discussion is pointless , nothing will change till DOA6.

Short said. DEAL WITH IT.

 

[Argentus]

It´s a really pointless Thread. People will always find ways to complain. The VF Characters give the game new color as guest characters and besides DOA gets more Attention , because people are able to play their mains in DOA. Your arguments / reasons to dislike the VF Characters is not really decisive. What should bring this thread ? I agree with DBomb and with the others who are against it.

Well , I dont want to waste my energy and repeat what is already told , is not worth the effort. I just want to say , that the VF Characters are more interesting than most of the DOA cast. In my opinion was it a great decision to bring the VF Cast. So I could learn more about the VF characters. People , who have no clue about VF Characters should be quiet , because it stinks when they begin to talk and the audience should be spared because of that.

Akira , Sarah , Jacky and Pai are respective and insperation characters.
I have really big respect to them.


" Akira is the most easiest character ever " is one of the stupidst things I ever read and witnessed in my life. Like I said , people will always find ways to complain. Sadly most of the time they search the faults by others instead looking themselves.


For people , who are lazy to read all the pages here are a little summary.

All in all and summarized. People , who cant deal with the VF characters get salty and search ways to complain about so useless stuff , like Sounds etc. They are so blind by their arrogance , that they dont see the positive of the guest characters. The discussion is pointless , nothing will change till DOA6.

Short said. DEAL WITH IT.

Oh the irony

 

[Lulu]

The good news is I think I finaly have a way of kicking Pai's ass now.... the only one left giving me trouble is Jacky.....

Anyway Hey have you noticed that the AI sucks complete ass at juggling with the VF Characters ?

For example after Sarah Launches me its always followed by her 6KK and nothing else.

 

[Force_of_Nature]

The good news is I think I finaly have a way of kicking Pai's ass now.... the only one left giving me trouble is Jacky.....

Anyway Hey have you noticed that the AI sucks complete ass at juggling with the VF Characters ?

For example after Sarah Launches me its always followed by her 6KK and nothing else.

The AI kinda sucks in general at times, but they have ridiculous holding capability instead.

 

[Jyakotu]

The AI kinda sucks in general at times, but they have ridiculous holding capability instead.

The AI in general is cheap as a whole. It can get away with holding all the time, like a new player would, yet they always seem to get the hold at the correct moment always. Also, Akira's AI is so boring to fight. I could literally 2P him to death and he won't do anything, not even a low hold, and this is Level 8 AI mind you.

 

[Lulu]

The AI kinda sucks in general at times, but they have ridiculous holding capability instead.

LoL... yeah.... they Hold everythiing on reaction.... its a pain trying to throw them.... hopefully theres a pattern.

 

[Lulu]

The AI in general is cheap as a whole. It can get away with holding all the time, like a new player would, yet they always seem to get the hold at the correct moment always. Also, Akira's AI is so boring to fight. I could literally 2P him to death and he won't do anything, not even a low hold, and this is Level 8 AI mind you.

YEAH..... thats why I had to remove him from the Random Filter.... he's so god damn predictable....

 

[KasumiLover]

YEAH..... thats why I had to remove him from the Random Filter.... he's so god damn predictable....

That works in arcade mode?

 

[Lulu]

That works in arcade mode?

LoL. I usually play VS Against the AI so I can use the filters to dodge certain stages.

I don't own 5 of the characters in the roster so when I want to play against them I'l use Arcade and Time Attack mode. I was lucky enough to play as Marie "Totally 18" Rose when she was on rotation one weekend.... those were good times....

 

[Calintzsan]

It´s a really pointless Thread. People will always find ways to complain. The VF Characters give the game new color as guest characters and besides DOA gets more Attention , because people are able to play their mains in DOA. Your arguments / reasons to dislike the VF Characters is not really decisive. What should bring this thread ? I agree with DBomb and with the others who are against it.

Well , I dont want to waste my energy and repeat what is already told , is not worth the effort. I just want to say , that the VF Characters are more interesting than most of the DOA cast. In my opinion was it a great decision to bring the VF Cast. So I could learn more about the VF characters. People , who have no clue about VF Characters should be quiet , because it stinks when they begin to talk and the audience should be spared because of that.

Akira , Sarah , Jacky and Pai are respective and insperation characters.
I have really big respect to them.


" Akira is the most easiest character ever " is one of the stupidst things I ever read and witnessed in my life. Like I said , people will always find ways to complain. Sadly most of the time they search the faults by others instead looking themselves.


For people , who are lazy to read all the pages here are a little summary.

All in all and summarized. People , who cant deal with the VF characters get salty and search ways to complain about so useless stuff , like Sounds etc. They are so blind by their arrogance , that they dont see the positive of the guest characters. The discussion is pointless , nothing will change till DOA6.

Short said. DEAL WITH IT.

What you dictate as "pointless" isn't for you alone to decide. I admit that it's probably not a new topic by any means, but my main question was why the VF cast got so much more hate than the rest of the DOA cast, not a "why do people hate these characters" sort of thing. I'm not slow, I know why people hate on characters for no reason, because most of the time there's irrational thought leading the argument. I was just curious if there was a specific reason as to why those four got so much more hate than the other fighters. That was what my post's point was. Now that everyone has contributed to my question, I understand better, so it's a post that is not pointless indeed. Thanks.

 

[Lulu]

Thats great !!! As long as you got something to work with.

 

[Calintzsan]

Neither of them really have good quotes, though VF's are pretty godawful. The shitty sound quality doesn't help matters either.

That sounds more like a personal issue rather than a valid point. I prefer the VF quotes more than any of the DOA quotes. I'm not a VF fan by any means (only played one of them once as a kid), so that doesn't drive my point if that was going to come up. You may think they are awful, but that's all there is to it. The sound quality is most likely most people's issue with the VF cast as far as voices and quotes go. The sound quality grew on me honestly, but then again I'm not a nit-picky person who would make a big deal about something like that when they are only guest characters.

 

[Calintzsan]

Oh no, don't worry about the posts you see here. It's quite the plague here, only one that is actually valid is the voices. It sounds like it was recorded off of Audacity. The VF characters are renewed as temporary DOA characters since they have a base model and base motion of the cast. Even rumors that Jann Lee's base model was used to create the DOA Akira. Team NINJA received the rights to create an Akira and the other 3, they didn't drag the VF characters straight out of the VF game, it would not work and would cause balance issues..the layers of the game are different. Let Yu Suzuki do the characters and *then* you would see an actual clash. But fortunately, we should be glad he didn't actually helped do it.

There is no clash of the system. They would of been banned ages ago if they did such mistreat. They are not special and they deserve no special catering. And hit-box would be the last thing people should get into on this topic, do not get me started with that one. This thread needs a serious Mr. Clean if we are actually taking these posts serious lol.

I'm going to have to agree with you. Most of the time it just seems like unnecessary nit-picking at this point. You can argue technical logic up and down this forum, but I've never had any sort of clash with the VF cast in comparison with the DOA line-up. Yeah their motions are slightly different when they do stuff, but honestly that fades over time, at least for me it did. I have no issues playing against VF characters any more than I do with DOA fighters, so there's no advantage to using a VF fighter. Quite honestly, on many occasions, I have to work much harder for a victory with Sarah than people do with using DOA fighters considering that I often get smacked with less hits but for huge damage. An example was me spending 20 seconds working in some pressure on Ayane, and then all she had to do was one grab or launch me into the air to catch right back up or get ahead of me. People can argue that it's like that with any character and whatnot, but it takes less effort to work with most DOA fighters than it does with the VF cast. If there's any kind of advantage here, it's the value of learning complexity in fighting game inputs instead of mashing punch, punch, punch, punch, kick all of the time (not implying this to all DOA fighters here). To me that's really boring, which is why I love cancelling and pressuring with Sarah so much. It's much more rewarding personally.

I do see a lot of people saying that the VF cast are cheap and unfair, and to me that just sounds like an incapability to adapt to fighting them. Not even 3 or 4 days ago I didn't know how to even fight against Akira because he hardly shows up online, but yesterday (the last time we fought since a few days ago) I was in an intense match with a really aggressive and rather good Akira player and we both won the same amount of matches over the course of those few days. So I was able to adapt to fighting him pretty well then, albeit there are different Akira players out there who fight differently. I've been playing fighters like Helena, Christie and Kasumi for much longer, and I still have a really hard time fighting against them. Yes, different players bring different fighting approaches to their combat tactics, but I've fought all kinds of Helenas, Kasumis and Christies and still can't handle them all that well. Among the few Akiras I've faced in the past, the player recently was the best one I have fought so far. Good mix-ups, great sidestep timing, grabs when I'm not cautious enough, etc. I think the rest can speak for itself.

While my main is Sarah and I use her about 90-95% of the time I play this game, there are times when I switch to my secondaries (Hitomi and Momiji, which mine are still decent-good at best honestly) and I end up having a much easier time fighting the DOA cast, and even end up winning with them a lot.

Lastly, I've noticed that someone mentioning that the VF's movements are distracting when fighting them. That just depends on the person, but at first when I got this game, I did think it was noticeable too, but not even that long into the game they felt more natural to me than the DOA cast; at the time I wasn't even using Sarah or any of the other VF characters. Besides a few characters, a lot of the DOA fighter's movements feel really exaggeratedly fast to me. Not fast in a sense that I can't handle it, but fast in that it feels like they are moving faster than they actually are. Could be just me, but to stress again, I don't have a problem visually with the two rosters together when it comes to movement and I honestly don't see why this is an issue, lol.

Well, I've said what I wanted to say. Anyone is free to dissent my thoughts if they want to.