SilverKhaos
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Because god forbid a game be fun, apparently lol.
Why is DOA 5 considered non-competitive ?
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Because god forbid a game be fun, apparently lol.
Rikuto
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I think 5 does a good job catering to both.
The thing is, the serious folks need to start looking for the depth where it is, and not where it isn't.
SilverKhaos
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And also understand that depth doesn't only mean "complex execution" or "Guaranteed damage".
Rikuto
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Those characters live on the punishment end of the spectrum. They punish the use of the triangle system, that is part of their niche.
Someone like Rig, on the other hand, would get off a single 7K on CH and his entire followup combo will be guaranteed. No countering possible. He's basically playing tekken, because he's on THAT end of the spectrum.
Someone like Hayabusa or Kasumi is in the middle, and they are a slave to the triangle system. Most people are playing characters in that fashion, and thats why they are getting pissed off.
In-fighting and the yomi associated with it are all fine and dandy, thats one level of the game. in DOA 4, every single fight came down to that, and thats why people felt turned off... there was no way out of it. If it didn't fit their playstyle to infight and be a slave to the triangle system, they would get wrecked, get pissed, and move on.
Now we can have fights between someone playing the Tekken style of spacing and banking on that one CH to take half the lifebar vs the DOA infighting, constant guessing and adapting.
Both styles exist in 5, and this is good. More matchups, more possibilities, more depth.
People are playing one character and assuming thats the entire game. They couldn't be more wrong.
I may not sound like it but I am indeed advocating for the game to be fun. I hope my post was not misinterpreted as saying the game sucks or should be easier etc...
However I have seen a stagnation of fighting games and sometimes an adherence to mechanics that don't move anything forward at all.
I know things like slow escape helps get out of stuns, and I will need more playtime with DOA5 to understand it, but watching the streams of the tournaments somewhat reenforces my first two points. It may just be me and my skill level talking. Personally I'd like to see any fighting game go full on cinematic kung-fu one day. I respect every players (Especially pro players) opinion and if they know I am wrong here, than I accept that. Juggles combos never seemed that important to me is all. Stuns, as long as they make sense, I'm fine with.
However I have seen a stagnation of fighting games and sometimes an adherence to mechanics that don't move anything forward at all.
I know things like slow escape helps get out of stuns, and I will need more playtime with DOA5 to understand it, but watching the streams of the tournaments somewhat reenforces my first two points. It may just be me and my skill level talking. Personally I'd like to see any fighting game go full on cinematic kung-fu one day. I respect every players (Especially pro players) opinion and if they know I am wrong here, than I accept that. Juggles combos never seemed that important to me is all. Stuns, as long as they make sense, I'm fine with.
I was wondering did somebody ask this question (the thread topic).
Any moron-scratch that lunatic (haters) would say because of " the fighting curves" or "ass & titties" which irritates me because all games especially in this generation has been setting sex cells in almost every game in stores now. It's very competitive. Especially now. It's simply because it needs more community support. That means more people representing & supporting the game. More competitive players.That's why you hear all of the competitors talk about showing up at tournaments & events. The more support it has, the longer it lasts, & the more popular the game will become. Which the series is popular anyways.
Any moron-scratch that lunatic (haters) would say because of " the fighting curves" or "ass & titties" which irritates me because all games especially in this generation has been setting sex cells in almost every game in stores now. It's very competitive. Especially now. It's simply because it needs more community support. That means more people representing & supporting the game. More competitive players.That's why you hear all of the competitors talk about showing up at tournaments & events. The more support it has, the longer it lasts, & the more popular the game will become. Which the series is popular anyways.
You think that's something. Go to EDGE's reviews they fucking terrible when it comes to fighting games.
Very true at some level. I'd love to see certain mechanic "necessities" hit the dust, though I guess every decision like that threatens an already established player base.
Hell they even dipshit in terms of Tekken & Mortal Kombat! & Barely gave Street Fighter IV good credibility!
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Lol reviewrage.
Reviews are one person's opinion. That person may or may not have tastes that match up to yours; they may or may not have experience with any given series of games. A review is note ''bad'' because the reviewer's opinion does not match up to your own and it is quite understandable for a reviewer to not know every detail of a game, especially if they are writing for a larger publication or site where they will not have a lot of time to dedicate to each title and where they have to ensure their content appeals to a broad market.
Rather than complain about reviews you disagree with, find reviewers who do share a similar taste in games to you and stick to reading those. There is really nothing to be gained from getting angry at video game reviews.
Reviews are one person's opinion. That person may or may not have tastes that match up to yours; they may or may not have experience with any given series of games. A review is note ''bad'' because the reviewer's opinion does not match up to your own and it is quite understandable for a reviewer to not know every detail of a game, especially if they are writing for a larger publication or site where they will not have a lot of time to dedicate to each title and where they have to ensure their content appeals to a broad market.
Rather than complain about reviews you disagree with, find reviewers who do share a similar taste in games to you and stick to reading those. There is really nothing to be gained from getting angry at video game reviews.
I like that they didn't change Ayane much except for focusing on her mobility strength. 3F+K giving a lot of guaranteed damage on NH and CH is awesome. BT 4K also gives a good amount on NH guaranteed. Whiff punishment with her used to only give stuns, a knockdown, or an OH if you timed it right. Now she has the ability to simply get pure damage off playing the footsies game right.
Rikuto
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I'm glad to hear my suspicions have been correct about her then. You're probably the only one I entirely trust concerning Ayane heh.
I got a similar one once in VF5FS. A guy who played El Blaze by spamming the same combo over and over (+ super lag) had the balls to rage quit when I was winning. And when I sent him a message asking why, his answer: "I couldn't let you win. No combos"
Does he think combos alone will help him win a match? That's really sad.
Gotta love those stream monsters and their "Where's Mahvel" comments. But then again, you have people in the FGC who don't contribute to anything at all.
Personally, I have a major problem with the stun and hold system. Yeah, I know you have to deal with this if you're playing this game, but I think it's something that is holding this game back. The current stun game is dog shit and I don't care if anyone takes offence. It's just a more drawn out version of the DOA2/3 stun game with every 90% of a character's movelist having stun extension properties. I don't want to have to remember every mix up in this game just to know what hit level a string is and which moves are linear/circular. Slow escaping a good alternative, but you won't get to escape out of those in most situations. If this was DOA2/3 stun system, I guarantee you there would've been less people turned off by this game.
I don't like being in either major frame advantage or disadvantage. There really has to be a middle ground. I remember having a conversation with Mr. Wah about VF's Wolf frame data. His major complaint was that Wolf didn't have many moves with frame advantage on block with the exception of standing P and G+K. Comparing the numbers to Bass, our Bass is at more of a disadvantage ON HIT unless he actually manages to put the opponent into critical stun. If these two were to go against each other in a crossover game, I guarantee you that Bass would have very hard time against Wolf because Wolf has a +frame 2P, +frame standing P, standing K with knockdown, low throws etc. I mean, imagine an unbreakable burning hammer on HCH. That's already +50%. Bass on the other hand will still be at disadvantage if he lands a jab on CH.
Holds are toned down, but they're still the same thing. You can pretend they're not.
Let me know if I'm being full of shit or not.
I don't like being in either major frame advantage or disadvantage. There really has to be a middle ground. I remember having a conversation with Mr. Wah about VF's Wolf frame data. His major complaint was that Wolf didn't have many moves with frame advantage on block with the exception of standing P and G+K. Comparing the numbers to Bass, our Bass is at more of a disadvantage ON HIT unless he actually manages to put the opponent into critical stun. If these two were to go against each other in a crossover game, I guarantee you that Bass would have very hard time against Wolf because Wolf has a +frame 2P, +frame standing P, standing K with knockdown, low throws etc. I mean, imagine an unbreakable burning hammer on HCH. That's already +50%. Bass on the other hand will still be at disadvantage if he lands a jab on CH.
Holds are toned down, but they're still the same thing. You can pretend they're not.
Let me know if I'm being full of shit or not.
Rikuto
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Ah Kitch, you're a perfect example of who I keep talking about.
Now I'm not saying I disagree about the stun/hold system overall, but if it bothers you to that extent why not simply play a character that ignores it? That IS an option this time around. You're only a slave to it if you choose to be.
Bass is a good example of a character who can to some extent ignore the stun game, primarily because he's really shit when it comes to actually having a good stun game in the first place and also because he does damage outside of stun anyway. He's a bit like Marduk (albeit a shitty Marduk, to be honest. Still very fun).
Still doesn't change the fact that you're playing a stun centric game and I just can't play other characters because I just end up getting bored.
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