Yes or No to Patch?
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Omegan Eckhart
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With her FT nerfed and still having the worst guaranteed set ups in the game I don't see how she could be that strong.
Busa and Hayate got completely overkill buff's and every character except the top tiers and Mila got substantial buffing too. Then again you felt she was the best character pre patch so I doubt we will agree here.
GrandMasterson
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Everyone's damage went up because everyone's health was nerfed, but Zack didn't get any damage buffs for himself. Zack Beam does 30 damage now, but is still -80 on hit by the way.
Zack just got very slightly safer on block. I just can't believe they didn't buff either the sit-down stun, the damage, or the safeness for 2KKKK strings, which are all indisputably pitiful at this point
DR2K
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Her FT got nerfed, but it's still a great tool overall.
Eliminates the wake up kick and leaves Helena at advantage if opponent techs(and they will even more so now) if she does nothing. This is good. On top of her added safety, faster jab in bko, sidestep, and damage buffs.
Eliminates the wake up kick and leaves Helena at advantage if opponent techs(and they will even more so now) if she does nothing. This is good. On top of her added safety, faster jab in bko, sidestep, and damage buffs.
Ryu is not a scrubby character in 5 if you're using him properly, and even if he were not buffed, the patches pros would outweigh his lack of buffs.
Omegan Eckhart
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Ryu is a scrub magnet, he's the super ninja with magical super powers who can teleport and shoot fireballs and all kinds of shit I could care less about.
Regardless TN knew very well that there was only one thing that made Helena good in DOA5. Nerfing the shit out of it and giving her no real buff's to compensate especially when they buffed the crap out so many other characters is a slap in the face. It's the slap that is diluting my enthusiasm right now.
MasterHavik
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You sure? I got 134 for some odd reason....last night with him. I don't know if a damage buff would do us any good though. Also his sitdown stun is legit it's +24 on hit.
Omegan Eckhart
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+24 with fastest slow escape?
DontForkWitMe
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Damn dey fucked over helena too? welp, eliot needs some company in the shit-tier cesspool that this patch put him in. he is the only one that got exactly zero buffs since they were full of shit on p+k causing sitdown on standing opponents during CH.
DontForkWitMe
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MasterHavik
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Omegan Eckhart
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Fuck that is incredible, wanna trade for one of my +13 stuns? lol
MasterHavik
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no...Helena can go fuck herself. And pretty much...Zack can kind of do whatever he wants off of it....
Omegan Eckhart
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That's a guaranteed CB right there. I think every character should have one.
Belinea
Active Member
But Rikuto's right, Eliot did only get better. Aside from 1 unsafe string become more unsafe everything else was a buff. Not great (...or even good) buffs I'll admit, but buffs nonetheless.
Rikuto
P-P-P-P-P-P-POWER!
Have you considered that perhaps you play your character wrong?
P+K causing a sitdown from crouching states actually empowers CH 2K quite a bit and gives a platform for the 10 hit troll string to actually be used against slow escaping opponents.
Eliot players seem to prefer crying over actually creating strats though, so what can I say...
I got buffs therefore I'm weaker. Nice logic.
I know you've got a thicker skin than that Fork so it's time to start showing it.
DontForkWitMe
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you'd be right.... except that you're wrong
2k on CH guarantees shit. p+k is i18, an opponent can slow escape the stun fast enough to put them in non-crouch state thus the sitdown won't occur even if they're hit by P+K, not to mention they can simply counter or block p+k it after words
if by the small chance a skilled player doesn't slow escape CH 2k and p+k does sit them down, then the 10hit string wont even fully connect since it breaks the stun threshold after the 3rd hit from the string causing a hard knockdown if you initiate 2k from a previous stun which is the only way eliot will land CH 2k on anyone
so in the end the only way your setup even fully works is if eliot lands a non crushing linear i15 low on CH, the opponent doesn't slow escape the trip stun to prevent p+k to sitdown on hit, and then sitting their taking a barrage of mid punches in a worthless string that a retarded baboon with down syndrome can randomly counter out of. really rikuto? thats you're proof eliot was buffed?
i suggest you do some more research before questioning whether someone is playing a character right or wrong