MasterHavik
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oh....i'll test that out myself.
Zack in DOA 5
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RhythmikDesigns
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I edited my post with what I've found so far.
Edit: Disregard, it very situational as it depends on how fast the opponent counters. If they counter as the very earliest they can, it doesn't work.
MasterHavik
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It's not situational. Why? Because of the hold nerf. The hold makes stuff like that viable. Don't be afraid to use it my friend. Let it fly.
RhythmikDesigns
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I said it was situational because its dependent on how fast the opponent counters...it they counter really fast it doesn't work.
MasterHavik
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I would do at least two more pps to make them think countering. How do you like Zack? I think he's one of the best characters in the game.
RhythmikDesigns
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Um....just from some prelim online matches, he's ok but definitely struggles against some characters who have more tools. I'm going to try to learn as many characters as possible but I want to be a Zack master, so I think I just have go the lab him a little more. Thats just my off the top opinion though.
MasterHavik
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btw...another suggestion for that cb setup. If they try to counter really quickly do 33T. I mean seriously....what the hell happen to his 236T. That was my go to throw in 4. also yeah same here. Well...actually he is my favorite character so this isn't new to me. Also I feel the same my friend. People like the VF characters, Bayman, Jann, Rig, and Hitmoi scare me the most. But I feel the ninjas are his bitches now, which is top tier in my book. I mean if your main is better than all the ninjas you should call them top tier.
RhythmikDesigns
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Cool, I'll try that. Yeah, the really nerfed that throw, I'm not sure why.
MasterHavik
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Whoa....good stuff. Low tier my ass. I'm going to be trying some stuff out when I get out of all my classes.
I'm out to show that Zack can hold his own lol i've been repping him since 2 and I love his design. Here's a sample combo:
PP delay P for the CH, PP into duck, 6PP into sway, P+K for the burst, 33KK, PP 6KK for about 111 dmg. I'm sure he has better combos than that, but that's a start. Modulate that based on the combo start and you should be good!
Here are some others:
P+K, PP to duck, 6PP to sway, P+K, 33KK, PP 6KK = 117dmg
3PP(P), PP to duck, etc. (same as above) = 113dmg
7PP, PP to sway, P+K, etc. = 101dmg
Duck 6PPPP to sway, P+K, etc. = 97dmg
33P, PP to duck, etc. = 112dmg
Duck P+K, PP to duck, etc. = 103dmg
Too lazy to put the rest right now lol feel free to try and beat these numbers, i'm just getting the ball rolling and want to help out my fellow zack players
PP delay P for the CH, PP into duck, 6PP into sway, P+K for the burst, 33KK, PP 6KK for about 111 dmg. I'm sure he has better combos than that, but that's a start. Modulate that based on the combo start and you should be good!
Here are some others:
P+K, PP to duck, 6PP to sway, P+K, 33KK, PP 6KK = 117dmg
3PP(P), PP to duck, etc. (same as above) = 113dmg
7PP, PP to sway, P+K, etc. = 101dmg
Duck 6PPPP to sway, P+K, etc. = 97dmg
33P, PP to duck, etc. = 112dmg
Duck P+K, PP to duck, etc. = 103dmg
Too lazy to put the rest right now lol feel free to try and beat these numbers, i'm just getting the ball rolling and want to help out my fellow zack players
RhythmikDesigns
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Its looking like 4H+K is looking like its going a good tool for us to use, since it cause a sit-down allowing us to start the mix up game, and its relatively safe on block (-5 frames) and causes just block stun to 44 to safety.
MasterHavik
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hey...for some odd reason the computer doesn't block everything in training even when I set it to guard all.
RhythmikDesigns
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You have to set both com action and com reaction to guard all
MasterHavik
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Oh okay. It was getting annoying. I was trying to do some frame data for Zack, since I know for the fact that Dogg's frame data whole be right.
MasterHavik
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because there are certain points of the stings that are easy to hold compare to the rest of it. Like for 2kkkkk with Zack. The last part of it is easy to hold, but the rest is hard. Keep this in mind a lot of stuff that would get stuff in 4 is going to be useful in 5.
MasterHavik
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i know, the cpu did that to me on normal with Zack's pppk stings.
Is that supposed to happen with most of Zack's strings? if so, how am I supposed to poke with him? I used 6PPPP from duck and my HUMAN opponent held me in the middle of it on hit. I don't understand how you're supposed to keep momentum/frame advantage when you're technically at risk on hit...