Zeo
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God no, that would be Marvel vs Capcom 3 all over again. Hopefully DOA4's patch was a lesson to them.
IGN's 12 Days of DOA5
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Arnell Long
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All this mass hysteria over Virtua Fighter characters? And even going so far as to declare them OP?
Before I go on a rant here and y'all start accusing me of being unrealistic, stupid, or whatever, understand that I'm aware of the potential they have to be considered top-tier in its current state, and I'm in no way denying the matches will be tough on paper. But I played a character who once had the weakest dad-gummed damage output (both in attacks and throws) and hardly any viable tools to beat a character who was considered OP (or top-tier, at least), and folks said I wouldn't make it past the first round at DID7. If a guy like me with confidence issues can work around that, there's something to be said about you guys crying foul before the game is even out... or in this case, "OP".
There is always a way around. It may take some hard work finding undiscovered tech and plenty of respect for the matchup, but when you really set your mind to it, it's possible to win. So what if the chances are low? At least it ain't zero. So if you wanna be the guy to take that small chance and turn heads, be that shit. Don't be so eager to be discouraged.
Before I go on a rant here and y'all start accusing me of being unrealistic, stupid, or whatever, understand that I'm aware of the potential they have to be considered top-tier in its current state, and I'm in no way denying the matches will be tough on paper. But I played a character who once had the weakest dad-gummed damage output (both in attacks and throws) and hardly any viable tools to beat a character who was considered OP (or top-tier, at least), and folks said I wouldn't make it past the first round at DID7. If a guy like me with confidence issues can work around that, there's something to be said about you guys crying foul before the game is even out... or in this case, "OP".
There is always a way around. It may take some hard work finding undiscovered tech and plenty of respect for the matchup, but when you really set your mind to it, it's possible to win. So what if the chances are low? At least it ain't zero. So if you wanna be the guy to take that small chance and turn heads, be that shit. Don't be so eager to be discouraged.
Ooobe
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Yes, it is.
If it matters to you and a handful of characters are bottom tier, <like two of 20+ so far> don't play them. There's always the other handfull. Based on reports and the looks of things there are a number of viable characters this time around. I believe Rikuto said in reply to "half the cast being viable" that that was 50% more than in the last game. <lol>
I can always choose not to engage in the fight with the butter knife, or I might find a unique way to have fun with it.
KwonJigglypuff
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I hope Helena will have new interesting tools, I don't care if she is Bottom Tier or even Helena Tier, I just hope they did their best not to nerf her too much, I wish they could care more about certain characters.
I was so offended to see Peach being nerfed that much from SSBM to SSBB (from Top Tier to Mid/Low Tier). I don't want this to happen again with Helena.
What information can you give about her Dogg ?
Oh and I hope her hair are not too short.
I was so offended to see Peach being nerfed that much from SSBM to SSBB (from Top Tier to Mid/Low Tier). I don't want this to happen again with Helena.
What information can you give about her Dogg ?
Oh and I hope her hair are not too short.
Awesmic, where did anyone state that you couldn't win with low tier characters?
Rikuto
P-P-P-P-P-P-POWER!
Who said what now?
DR2K
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Yes, it is. If it matters to you and a handful of characters are bottom tier, <like two of 20+ so far> don't play them. There's always the other handfull. Based on reports and the looks of things there are a number of viable characters this time around. I believe Rikuto said in reply to "half the cast being viable" that that was 50% more than in the last game. <lol>
I can always choose not to engage in the fight with the butter knife, or I might find a unique way to have fun with it.
No, no it's not. No one really knows the number of viable characters until months of play/analysis has been done. You missed my point by a country mile though.
You can also sit on it, spread it on toast, but it don't make it peanut butter. You completely missed the other point I was trying to make.
Berzerk!
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Its been great to read the impressions of the players who played so well in the tournament, thank you for those.
It appears there is still a consensus around CB needing to be active quicker, and on hold recovery, though this seems slightly less priority. Lets hope TN adjust their thinking around this.
It appears there is still a consensus around CB needing to be active quicker, and on hold recovery, though this seems slightly less priority. Lets hope TN adjust their thinking around this.
ErickBello
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Helena is bottom/mid tier in the most of the DOA Games.
Just Saying.
Recently a friend organized a DOA4 tourney on Dominican Republic, and I won, as Brad Wong. And there's was a TON of Jann, Kasumi and Busa.
Tier is irrelevant.
That's my humble opinion.
Just Saying.
Recently a friend organized a DOA4 tourney on Dominican Republic, and I won, as Brad Wong. And there's was a TON of Jann, Kasumi and Busa.
Tier is irrelevant.
That's my humble opinion.
Arnell Long
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Helena hasn't officially been announced yet, I don't think DrDogg can or has actually given any info about her yet. We're all just speculating
That's absolutely true. <==
Just funny how he stated a character being worse than Lisa under a scan with Helena fighting Lisa in-game.
So it's logical to think he was talking about her, would be whack if he was talking about a character that wasn't shown in the scan but "yet" choose to state his comment under Helena being revealed as an "in-game" character.
Still, we don't fully know who that character is that he's talking about, I really don't care honestly, no sense in me being "Detective Conan" so I'll just wait for an "actual" answer.
Anyway, wherever Lisa is placed, I'm going to bring the utmost best out of her so her Tier list placing has no effect on me.
BierKlauMeister
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Here: Its a pretty good read, might enlighten you, and actually all of us:
http://shoryuken.com/2012/08/21/thinking-about-design-options-as-the-greatest-resource/
Xion
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Looks like more headaches for me lol
im just going to say this unblockable Akira combo isnt going to be as powerful in DOA5 cause everyone can just counter the dam thing.its like that article said crossing over to a different franchise opens up more options and for DOA that happens to be the counters.i think a few have them in VF and from my limited play with Goh they arnt nearly as powerful or easy to use as DOA's
Arnell Long
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You and me both <== (o^_^o)
-The things that I am hearing about Akira is not all that scary. Hayate in 3.1 was more of a menace. He had frame traps, his
had high priority(wake up kick priority) and would interrupt any attack, his was a 2-in-1 that granted +2. His would avoid wake up kicks, and allow him to puniswh you. If you didnt do the wake up kick and Chose to block, he would just do that would be +2. Had great knock back/down potential, and when you was at the wall he can do an excess of 125+ pts of damage. His against the wall granted a free wall combo, and could only be just frame escaped. Hayate was very quick and evasive. Had the best SS in the game(cartwheel), which was banned, but his / was more than efficient ss attack. -We had to learn how to deal with that shit. No patch, nothing. This is what players now need to do. Stop being scared and learn how to have better defence.
ErickBello
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Indeed, and I understand greatly all of that, and that's one of the biggest flaws on the modern fighting games, but you know, you'll have to deal with it, if you have any complaints, TN Twitter is always open, and there's still time to give feedback.
But We have to see the final outcome of the game to pick up conclusions of a Tier List.
For release of the game, I don't think there's any time left for feedback would be applied. If anything, based on my knowledge of the industry at large, they are either about to certify, finished certification, or ramping up production of the game discs from the certified master.
Any feedback applied would be for a possible patch, maybe day one, or maybe never? We'll just have to see how it turns out.
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