Juihau
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...Now I'm trying to think of what an equivalent word in English would be... Horndog, possibly? Though that's usually more of a teasing thing...
A Discussion of sexualised design of male/female characters
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Hayabusiness
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But is the male sexualization something to reel people in or a bone thrown at the fans? I'm glad DOA is doing it, and in that aspect I think they are better than other fighting games, but is it something that can net them money? I do feel there is untapped potential here.
Also I personally don't want bulge jiggle either, lol. Would rather much have proper muscle movement...
Also I personally don't want bulge jiggle either, lol. Would rather much have proper muscle movement...
I personally wouldn't care, there's always the classic saying don't like don't buy principle, plus the gay fan base which is pretty sizable is already subjected to the female sexualization....although I don't think they'd mind since they also want their characters they play as to look as attractive and sexy as anyone else. SC does it and that doesn't affect anything, and Tekken does it in spades since they go out of their way to make all the guys these big muscled hulks. But because TN listens to the Japanese fanbase and know that it mainly consists of perverted young Japanese men, they place more emphasis on that sales wise and don't really listen to western demands like they tried to in Vanilla DOA5.
Lol, why did you quote me so quickly? XD I edited that part out because I thought that would be just too much and actually generalizing. XD
German is a wonderful language for all kinds of complex concepts given one name. Like "Schadenfreude" or "Zeitgeist". Something that should be adopted into English too is "Fremdschämen". It is the feeling of being absolutely embarrassed by the actions of someone else, even a complete stranger, feeling their shame and discomfort instead.
Have you ever watched shows like American Idol and had to cringe and even change the channel because someone embarrased himself? Yeah, that's "Fremdschämen".
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Argentus
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That's what I thought.
Also on Rig. I never understood how he's considered hot. I mean I'm not into guys but he seems more sleazy than anything
Jadeinchains
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Lol, why did you quote it so quickly? XD I edited it out because I thought that would be just too much and actually generalizing. XD
German is a wonderful language for all kinds of complex concepts given one name. Like "Schadenfreude" or "Zeitgeist". Something that should be adopted into English too is "Fremdschämen". It is the feeling of being absolutely embarrassed by the actions of someone else, even a complete stranger, feeling their shame instead.
Have you ever watched shows like American Idol and had to cringe and even change the channel because someone embarrased himself? Yeah, that's "Fremdschämen".
"secondhand embarrassment" is a phrase I hear people say for situations like that.
Speaking personally I think Bass and Bayman are hotter though Rig is too, The sleaziness can play into that kind of thing.
Also personally again on what Kasumi said about the gay fanbase I like the female characters to be fierce and gorgeous so yeah I don't have a problem with them being sexual.
Chapstick
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In what way?
Xhominid The Demon Within
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Then they have to cater to Male Sexuality...which is very obvious since it's the DOA males already have sculpted physiques. They just need to be shirtless/wear shorts more often.
Hayabusiness
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Vagrant Story is a game I only really started, which is a shame because it seems to be very interesting like many games from Yasumi Matsuno.
I think the character designs for the main villain and Ashley are both very... erotic.
Maybe they're a bit trashy, but I like this aesthetic from the QUEST games very nice.
Ashley looks especially sexy. It's very probable that my attraction to him will go away as soon as I get further into the game one day, but... hmm.
The outfit is really weird, especially the assless chaps, but the way it leaves the back naked is so delicate and strong. I guess I could say that I would like to see more of this kind of sexy outfit in beautiful JRPGs.
Too bad I don't like Yoshida's newer designs...
Another bizarre sexual design (this one definitely more bizarre than the ones before) from the same team, is the Dalmascan armor from FFXII...
It's literally a sexy female armor for guys! And in the opening cutscene, you see TONS of men in this armor, fighting in a war, too.
I find these design very interesting oddities. It's probably just part of the aesthetic and not the desire to get more money through the Assley, but they still left me surprised when I saw them, especially the leg focus in Ashley and the Dalmascan armor.
I think the character designs for the main villain and Ashley are both very... erotic.
Maybe they're a bit trashy, but I like this aesthetic from the QUEST games very nice.
Ashley looks especially sexy. It's very probable that my attraction to him will go away as soon as I get further into the game one day, but... hmm.
The outfit is really weird, especially the assless chaps, but the way it leaves the back naked is so delicate and strong. I guess I could say that I would like to see more of this kind of sexy outfit in beautiful JRPGs.
Too bad I don't like Yoshida's newer designs...
Another bizarre sexual design (this one definitely more bizarre than the ones before) from the same team, is the Dalmascan armor from FFXII...
It's literally a sexy female armor for guys! And in the opening cutscene, you see TONS of men in this armor, fighting in a war, too.
I find these design very interesting oddities. It's probably just part of the aesthetic and not the desire to get more money through the Assley, but they still left me surprised when I saw them, especially the leg focus in Ashley and the Dalmascan armor.
considering this is their official art for Vaan that doesn't really surprise me
note that his vest is actually left purposely undone so it will expose more of his breast. this feels like a bigger grab attempt at the female audience than Raiden was.
yeah he has this one pose but he didn't take off any clothes to do it and thats pretty close to to his sword stance in the game. as opposed to Vaan who im pretty sure NEVER does that and looks like a pin up model.
note that his vest is actually left purposely undone so it will expose more of his breast. this feels like a bigger grab attempt at the female audience than Raiden was.
yeah he has this one pose but he didn't take off any clothes to do it and thats pretty close to to his sword stance in the game. as opposed to Vaan who im pretty sure NEVER does that and looks like a pin up model.
Chapstick
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"Whatcha thinkin about (;"
Hayabusiness
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Oh yeah, Vaan is sexualized no doubt, especially in that ridiculous render. Weird that I forgot to mention him I guess that shows how relevant he is.
Interestingly enough, originally, he was not the protagonist of FFXII. I'm not sure what happened during development, but sources say that it was Basch who was supposed to be the male lead (and Ashe the female one), which would have been very interesting imo (any JRPG with an older protagonist sounds interesting to begin with). It's a bit of a bittersweet development story.
Curiously, Basch does have a little sensual detail to his design too, on a side note... Part of his chest is uncovered. Maybe it's just me that finds that detail attractive he is a very cute man.
I guess that shows how relevant he is.Interestingly enough, originally, he was not the protagonist of FFXII. I'm not sure what happened during development, but sources say that it was Basch who was supposed to be the male lead (and Ashe the female one), which would have been very interesting imo (any JRPG with an older protagonist sounds interesting to begin with). It's a bit of a bittersweet development story.
Curiously, Basch does have a little sensual detail to his design too, on a side note... Part of his chest is uncovered. Maybe it's just me that finds that detail attractive
he is a very cute man.
go poking around and you find that is a constant struggle for Japanese game developers. FF12,
the infamous 2 protagonist of Neir
ive even heard that you were supposed to play as an adult in SMT4: Apocalypse but it was changed to Nanashi, your typical young protagonist.
the infamous 2 protagonist of Neir
ive even heard that you were supposed to play as an adult in SMT4: Apocalypse but it was changed to Nanashi, your typical young protagonist.
Hayabusiness
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Curiously enough, the Nier that was born first was Brother Nier.
It was actually American Square who wanted there to be an older version, and change the brother/sister story to a father/daughter one.
I'd say that in the end, it was not such a bad idea, since people liked Papa Nier so much, everybody thought he was the one born first...! Lol.
Plus it IS true that a brother/sister dynamic wouldn't have the same impact as a father/daughter one in the West.
Still, Brother Nier gets all the new information in side content and the time skip does make more sense with him.
Anyway...
I found a very curious artwork from the game infamous for its exaggerated caricature Frank Frazzetta inspired artwork, Dragon's Crown...
Uh... interesting if you know how much Dragon's Crown loves T&A...
It was actually American Square who wanted there to be an older version, and change the brother/sister story to a father/daughter one.
I'd say that in the end, it was not such a bad idea, since people liked Papa Nier so much, everybody thought he was the one born first...! Lol.
Plus it IS true that a brother/sister dynamic wouldn't have the same impact as a father/daughter one in the West.
Still, Brother Nier gets all the new information in side content and the time skip does make more sense with him.
Anyway...
I found a very curious artwork from the game infamous for its exaggerated caricature Frank Frazzetta inspired artwork, Dragon's Crown...
Uh... interesting if you know how much Dragon's Crown loves T&A...
Juihau
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So, here's a weird question. Is it me, or is Pokemon getting sexier?
Let me explain real quick. The most recent episode of Pokemon Generations focused on Team Aqua, and I couldn't help but think Shelly looked...really sexualized. Like, her breasts are huge, her outfit is skin tight and bares a lot of midriff, she noticeably has that typical 'sexy lady' anime face. Then I thought about it some more, and really, all of the Team Aqua/Magma redesigns are like that.
In general, where the outfits looked fairly loose before, they're pretty much all skin-tight now. The two that really caught my attention, though, are Archie and Courtney. Archie went from a dude with a beard in a suit to a man with a magnificent beard in a skin-tight wetsuit. Courtney was originally almost indistinguishable from the typical Magma grunts, but now she's wearing heels and has a unique outfit that shows off her surprisingly large bust (especially noticeable in the anime), and her official artwork has her hips thrust out in a way that emphasizes her curves.
Let me explain real quick. The most recent episode of Pokemon Generations focused on Team Aqua, and I couldn't help but think Shelly looked...really sexualized. Like, her breasts are huge, her outfit is skin tight and bares a lot of midriff, she noticeably has that typical 'sexy lady' anime face. Then I thought about it some more, and really, all of the Team Aqua/Magma redesigns are like that.
In general, where the outfits looked fairly loose before, they're pretty much all skin-tight now. The two that really caught my attention, though, are Archie and Courtney. Archie went from a dude with a beard in a suit to a man with a magnificent beard in a skin-tight wetsuit. Courtney was originally almost indistinguishable from the typical Magma grunts, but now she's wearing heels and has a unique outfit that shows off her surprisingly large bust (especially noticeable in the anime), and her official artwork has her hips thrust out in a way that emphasizes her curves.
The anime has always been sexualised to degree it wouldn't surprise me at all if it's become more so.
In that same line of thought people have been pointing out we seem to be getting more humanoid Pokémon each generation. I can't help but wonder if game freak is purposely targeting the furry market.
In that same line of thought people have been pointing out we seem to be getting more humanoid Pokémon each generation. I can't help but wonder if game freak is purposely targeting the furry market.
Definitely! The developers addressed it themselves in a E3 stream that I watched, when one of the presenters gushed about the new professor Kukui. Human characters are not just getting sexier but more attractive/appealing as a whole for any kind of taste.
Pokemon Go designs:
Pokemon Sun/Moon designs:
Pokemon fans have long grown up and they are actually the biggest market for the games. There are more 20-30 year olds that play the games than teenagers or children.
Each time a new Pokemon character is revealed Twitter, Tumblr and Deviantart just flow over with overly sexualized fanarts of them. Fans are really desperate. XD
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Hayabusiness
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Pokèmon always had sexy designs, imo.
At least, some games did it more than others: I don't remember her name, but the Ice Elite Four in Gen I whose name I don't remember is basically a stereotypical sexy teacher.
Then in Gen V there was Skyla who looked like a typical sexy cute character, the female trainer in Black had super short shorts...
But clearly now they are taking the bajillion of older fans in mind, and are doing it more and more explicitly. Sun & Moon is in the same situation as ORAS: more moe and sexy designs, more shirtless bara dudes. Check all the videos on the Pokèmon channel where they present new female characters, especially the sexy lab chicks and the rock gym leader, then read the comments section: I'm sure they are trying to cater to those people.
Some Pokèmon fans are perverts and furries; not all of them (there are many after all), but a good chunk loves their Gardevoir a bit too much. So it wouldn't even surprise me if the latest humanoid Pokèmon were made with them in mind. Some marketing strategies try to cater to niches as well, after all.
Also keep in mind Ken Sugimori is a huge otaku and I saw on his twitter that he bought hentai doujinshi and art books from a famous artist who draws a lot of moe lolicon (forgot his names, but he drew a game that was heavily advertised on 4chan called little witch romanesque), and keeps a shrine of Princess Peach merchandise.
All of this should speak for itself.
Edit @Tyaren
The dude with the water pokèmon in the first pic is not from Sun & Moon, so the point is getting even stronger.
At least, some games did it more than others: I don't remember her name, but the Ice Elite Four in Gen I whose name I don't remember is basically a stereotypical sexy teacher.
Then in Gen V there was Skyla who looked like a typical sexy cute character, the female trainer in Black had super short shorts...
But clearly now they are taking the bajillion of older fans in mind, and are doing it more and more explicitly. Sun & Moon is in the same situation as ORAS: more moe and sexy designs, more shirtless bara dudes. Check all the videos on the Pokèmon channel where they present new female characters, especially the sexy lab chicks and the rock gym leader, then read the comments section: I'm sure they are trying to cater to those people.
Some Pokèmon fans are perverts and furries; not all of them (there are many after all), but a good chunk loves their Gardevoir a bit too much. So it wouldn't even surprise me if the latest humanoid Pokèmon were made with them in mind. Some marketing strategies try to cater to niches as well, after all.
Also keep in mind Ken Sugimori is a huge otaku and I saw on his twitter that he bought hentai doujinshi and art books from a famous artist who draws a lot of moe lolicon (forgot his names, but he drew a game that was heavily advertised on 4chan called little witch romanesque), and keeps a shrine of Princess Peach merchandise.
All of this should speak for itself.
Edit @Tyaren
The dude with the water pokèmon in the first pic is not from Sun & Moon, so the point is getting even stronger.
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Definitely! The developers addressed it themselves in a E3 stream that I watched, when one of the presenters gushed about the new professor Kukui. Human characters are not just getting sexier but more attractive/appealing as a whole for any kind of taste.
Pokemon Go designs:
Pokemon Sun/Moon designs:
Pokemon fans have long grown up and they are actually the biggest market for the games. There are more 20-30 year olds that play the games than teenagers or children.
Each time a new Pokemon character is revealed Twitter, Tumblr and Deviantart just flow over with overly sexualized fanarts of them. Fans are really desperate. XD
Interestingly enough the fan base decided that Spark is actually wearing a sleeveless orange hoodie despite looking like a normal one. Even the cosplayers all use it.
Im curious how much that happens. Where fans will go by what they want to see rather than what's implied.
Yep, a quick Deviantart search shows that XD
And this Spark lost the hoodie altogether:
What I find interesting, that attractive male video game characters and the fans celebrating them with sexy fanarts have become so standard by now. Just as much if not even more by now than with female characters. 15 years ago that looked very different but video games were in general much shyer to cater to a female and gay audience. By now that audience is thought to be at least 50% of the video game market. They would be crazy to ignore them.
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