DOA5U Helena Combo Thread

Project Bokuho

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Wall combos give Helena many options in DOA5U. I don't know if any of you have noticed, but after certain moves that wall splat, Helena can do 66h+k to juggle the opponent. 66h+k works after the following wall splats (list is not complete)

-9k
-7p
-6p+k
-4ppk
-33pp
-33p4p
-236pkp
-4p2p
-214p4pp
-236p+k
-BKO 66p
-BKO6p4pp
-BKOppp
-BT 4ppp

A good example of a wall splat combo using 66h+k is:
-33p4p, free cancel into standing, 66h+k, 4pk, 33p4p (121 dmg on CH)
This combo does 11 more damage than her most damaging option in 5, which was:
-33p4p, 4pk, 236pkp (110 dmg on CH)

NOTE: Anything that ends in 66p will not allow a 66h+k follow up. Sometimes it does, but it is very inconsistent.

I tested these combos on Christie, and this may be one of those things where it works on some characters, and not on others. I want to test this a little more to make sure that is not the case.
Nice!
 

Omegan Eckhart

Well-Known Member
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ninjaguy446

Well-Known Member
BT F+P > 3PP4 > BT F+P > 3PP4 > BT F+P > 3PP4 > BT F+P > 3PP4 > BT F+P > 3PP4 > BT F+P > 3PP4 > BT F+P > 3PP4 > BT F+P > 3PP4 > BT F+P > 3PP4 > BT F+P > 3PP4 > BT F+P > 3PP4 > BT F+P > 3PP4 > BT F+P > 3PP4 > BT F+P > 3PP4 > BT F+P > 3PP4 > BT F+P > 3PP4 > BT F+P > 3PP4 > BT F+P > 3PP4 > BT F+P > 3PP4 > BT F+P > 3PP4 > BT F+P > 3PP4 > BT F+P > 3PP4 > BT F+P > 3PP4 > BT F+P > 3PP4 > BT F+P > 3PP4 > BT F+P > 3PP4 > BT F+P > 3PP4 > BT F+P > 3PP4 > BT F+P > 3PP4 > BT F+P > 3PP4 > BT F+P > 3PP4 > BT F+P > 3PP4 > BT F+P > 3PP4 > BT F+P > 3PP4 > BT F+P > 3PP4 > BT F+P > 3PP4 > BT F+P > 3PP4 > BT F+P > 3PP4 > BT F+P > 3PP4 > BT F+P > 3PP4 > BT F+P > 3PP4 > BT F+P > 3PP4 > BT F+P > 3PP4 > BT F+P > 3PP4 > BT F+P > 3PP4 > BT F+P > 3PP4 > BT F+P > 3PP4 > BT F+P > 3PP4 > BT F+P > 3PP4 > BT F+P > 3PP4 > BT F+P > 3PP4 > BT F+P > 3PP4 > BT F+P > 3PP4 > BT F+P > 3PP4 > BT F+P > 3PP4 > BT F+P > 3PP4 > BT F+P > 3PP4 > BT F+P > 3PP4 > BT F+P > 3PP4 > BT F+P > 3PP4 > BT F+P > 3PP4 > BT F+P > 3PP4 > BT F+P > 3PP4 > BT F+P > 3PP4 > BT F+P > 3PP4 > BT F+P > 3PP4 > BT F+P > 3PP4 > BT F+P > 3PP4 > BT F+P > 3PP4 > BT F+P > 3PP4 > BT F+P > 3PP4 > BT F+P > 3PP4 > BT F+P > 3PP4 > BT F+P > 3PP4 > BT F+P > 3PP4 > BT F+P > 3PP4 > BT F+P > 3PP4 > BT F+P > 3PP4 > BT F+P > 3PP4 > BT F+P > 3PP4 > BT F+P > 3PP4 > BT F+P > 3PP4 > BT F+P > 3PP4 > BT F+P > 3PP4 > BT F+P > 3PP4 > BT F+P > 3PP4 > BT F+P > 3PP4 > BT F+P > 3PP4 > BT F+P > 3PP4 > BT F+P > 3PP4 > BT F+P > 3PP4 > BT F+P > 3PP4 > BT F+P > 3PP4 > BT F+P > 3PP4 > BT F+P > 3PP4 > BT F+P > 3PP4 > BT F+P > 3PP4 > BT F+P > 3PP4 > BT F+P > 3PP4 > BT F+P > 3PP4
Does that throw loop actually work?
 

Project Bokuho

Lady Helena's Pet
Premium Donor
BT F+P > 3PP4 > BT F+P > 3PP4 > BT F+P > 3PP4 > BT F+P > 3PP4 > BT F+P > 3PP4 > BT F+P > 3PP4 > BT F+P > 3PP4 > BT F+P > 3PP4 > BT F+P > 3PP4 > BT F+P > 3PP4 > BT F+P > 3PP4 > BT F+P > 3PP4 > BT F+P > 3PP4 > BT F+P > 3PP4 > BT F+P > 3PP4 > BT F+P > 3PP4 > BT F+P > 3PP4 > BT F+P > 3PP4 > BT F+P > 3PP4 > BT F+P > 3PP4 > BT F+P > 3PP4 > BT F+P > 3PP4 > BT F+P > 3PP4 > BT F+P > 3PP4 > BT F+P > 3PP4 > BT F+P > 3PP4 > BT F+P > 3PP4 > BT F+P > 3PP4 > BT F+P > 3PP4 > BT F+P > 3PP4 > BT F+P > 3PP4 > BT F+P > 3PP4 > BT F+P > 3PP4 > BT F+P > 3PP4 > BT F+P > 3PP4 > BT F+P > 3PP4 > BT F+P > 3PP4 > BT F+P > 3PP4 > BT F+P > 3PP4 > BT F+P > 3PP4 > BT F+P > 3PP4 > BT F+P > 3PP4 > BT F+P > 3PP4 > BT F+P > 3PP4 > BT F+P > 3PP4 > BT F+P > 3PP4 > BT F+P > 3PP4 > BT F+P > 3PP4 > BT F+P > 3PP4 > BT F+P > 3PP4 > BT F+P > 3PP4 > BT F+P > 3PP4 > BT F+P > 3PP4 > BT F+P > 3PP4 > BT F+P > 3PP4 > BT F+P > 3PP4 > BT F+P > 3PP4 > BT F+P > 3PP4 > BT F+P > 3PP4 > BT F+P > 3PP4 > BT F+P > 3PP4 > BT F+P > 3PP4 > BT F+P > 3PP4 > BT F+P > 3PP4 > BT F+P > 3PP4 > BT F+P > 3PP4 > BT F+P > 3PP4 > BT F+P > 3PP4 > BT F+P > 3PP4 > BT F+P > 3PP4 > BT F+P > 3PP4 > BT F+P > 3PP4 > BT F+P > 3PP4 > BT F+P > 3PP4 > BT F+P > 3PP4 > BT F+P > 3PP4 > BT F+P > 3PP4 > BT F+P > 3PP4 > BT F+P > 3PP4 > BT F+P > 3PP4 > BT F+P > 3PP4 > BT F+P > 3PP4 > BT F+P > 3PP4 > BT F+P > 3PP4 > BT F+P > 3PP4 > BT F+P > 3PP4 > BT F+P > 3PP4 > BT F+P > 3PP4 > BT F+P > 3PP4 > BT F+P > 3PP4 > BT F+P > 3PP4 > BT F+P > 3PP4 > BT F+P > 3PP4 > BT F+P > 3PP4 > BT F+P > 3PP4 > BT F+P > 3PP4 > BT F+P > 3PP4 > BT F+P > 3PP4 > BT F+P > 3PP4 > BT F+P > 3PP4
LOL
 

Omegan Eckhart

Well-Known Member
Anyone bother using the power launcher?

Quick combo: PL > 66F+K > P+K > 4PPK.

Easy timing flexible PL combo: PL > 44 > 66F+K > P+K > 4PK.
 
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Omegan Eckhart

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Tag Combo: Helena & Momoji
Momoji Helena 6F+K Guarantees the 7K launch in tag.

6F+K (TAG) 7K > 4K (TAG) 6PK (TAG) 236PK (TAG) 6PK (TAG) 7PK (TAG) 6PK (TAG) 33PP (TAG) 3P4PP
185 points of damage guaranteed from the initial SDS.
 
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Omegan Eckhart

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Little dumb note: When landing 66F+K on a grounded opponent always go for P instead of 6P if you plan on free cancelling as P grants +6 more stun than 6P does.
 

FatalxInnocence

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Has anybody found a power launcher combo that does more than the one you get in combo challenge? I've been messing around for about 30 minutes, I've found some that come close to it... but haven't managed to find any that do more than the challenge one.

The challenge one being;

44P+K, 66H+K, BOK 66P 44P+K, 33P4P = 110 dmg

The closest I've come to ( at the moment anyway ) is 106... which is;

44P+K, 44P+K, 6KP, 33P4P = 106 dmg

44P+K, 44P+K, 44P+K, 33P4P = 106 dmg

I'm probably going to keep messing around, see if I can figure something out. I've managed to do a lot that are beetween 94-104 but yeah... not sure there's a point listing them since they're lower damage than the challenge one... but oh well! =D

edit; Just letting you all know, I don't think these work on the heavy weight characters... I don't even think her challenge one works on them.

I just do this on heavy weights;

44P+K, 44P+K, 33P, 33P4P ~ 96 dmg
 
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This might be a bit off topic, but I'm having some trouble with Rachel's force tech online. She either rushes in and stuns with a fast attack, or goes in for a grab loop. What are Helena's best options then? Does she have anything that can out poke her while Rachel's rushing in?
 

Omegan Eckhart

Well-Known Member
This might be a bit off topic, but I'm having some trouble with Rachel's force tech online. She either rushes in and stuns with a fast attack, or goes in for a grab loop. What are Helena's best options then? Does she have anything that can out poke her while Rachel's rushing in?
The only unique option she has if her BKO teishitsu. When she FT's you try doing BKO 22, if you can do it fast enough you will eliminate most of her options.
 

BlackDiamond890

New Member
Ok... quick question...

Has anybody messed with 7pkk as a juggler?

Because I found a stronger CB juggle on Lights and a different one for Mids.

blahblahblah CB 66p 7pkk 33p4p - On Lightweights it does roughly 5 points more damage and still PFT situation.

Mid version is basically the same, just 33pp, they fall just ever so slightly lower for 33p4p to miss. Still, it gets 1 more point of damage (I know it's silly) but you lose the PFT situation with that one.

Example BKO 6p4pp 6p 7p(CB) BKO 66p 7pkk 33p4p does 115

BKO 6p4pp 6p 7p(CB) BKO 66p 7pkk 33pp does 111

BKO 6p4pp 6p 7p(CB) BKO p+k 4p+k 4k 4ppp does 110

I don't think it's particularly useful, I was just shocked that 7pkk juggled the way it did.
 

TRI Mike

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OK I finally started messing around seriously with Helena in Ultimate as I've been paying more attention to Tina, Fu, Rig and Leifang. She seems a lot different but very nice. 9K seems pretty much guaranteed after any SDS and 66H+K grants a faint stun but no launcher is possible after it (or is it¿). Can anyone help me with the juggling¿ new stuff that needs to be taken into consideration, etc¿ The entire thread has some nice info but a lot of people seem to be struggling to find the right way to play this PFT-less Hele.
 
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