GodlyHades
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Are they gonna remove this force tech crap? I cant believe how many times I lose to an Helena its to OP. I literally cannot beat it.
Helena in DOA5U
- Thread starter Omegan Eckhart
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ninjaguy446
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Most likely they are, but no it's not. You main Hayabusa, right? Watch Master vs. Mamba matches. That should help you.
GodlyHades
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Ive seen them. Its just really hard to counter her, I dont mind that she has a special thing just for her. Though when she has you in a good combo and is using her mind games your pretty much done for lol. I would hate to fight her in a tournament against more extreme players.
ninjaguy446
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You just need to keep playing against her. Once you get enough MU experience and throw punish her you'll be fine. But yes, in DOA5U she most likely lost her 33P4P PFTs. We're not sure yet though.
GodlyHades
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Theres a rumor going around that almost every character got nerfed pretty bad lol
Thanks guys!Don't know if Mamba will be there, but I'll be repping Helena! Plan to make at least Top 8.
Mamba hasn't played DOA since that tournament where he lost to Calibur Bladez quite a while ago. He might come back to the DOA scene, but I'm not sure. As far as consistency goes, Bladez is the one you should be careful about.
ninjaguy446
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Yeah, I definitely will. lol I played him once before at Winter Brawl but I was super scrubby at DOA then. (Still am! Haha....)
ninjaguy446
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Okay, so tomorrow is Summer Jam, and I wanted to make sure that I have everything I'm going to be checking. Here's the list:
- New moves and their notations
- Sitdown stun frames
- 33P4P still connect after a juggle
- 6P still force tech
- BKO 2K force tech
- BT 4K force tech
- BT 4PK into force tech
- BT 66K force tech/ +0 on block
- 3in1's -4
- i10 Jab
- PP2KP
ninjaguy446
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No, I'm so sorry, Omegan wanted me to check to see if it returned.PP2KP IS BACK??????? I'm so happy right now!
I didn't mean to get your hopes up.
Oh...so it's not back?
ninjaguy446
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No, not to our knowledge, but it was on the list because I'm going to see if it has returned.
Sorry about that misunderstanding.
It's okay.No, not to our knowledge, but it was on the list because I'm going to see if it has returned.
ninjaguy446
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H+K kicks can now enter BKO after.
6P no longer pfts.
33P4P still connects and is still -4
New awesome taunt
BKO 2K FTs
BKO 4K FTs
BKO 66K FRs
Also, no PP2KP
6P no longer pfts.
33P4P still connects and is still -4
New awesome taunt
BKO 2K FTs
BKO 4K FTs
BKO 66K FRs
Also, no PP2KP
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RoboJoe
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I don't play Helena, so I don't remember if she has a launcher from BKO, but it would be amazing if she can cancel into BKO fast enough to be able to launch during the guard break.
Omegan Eckhart
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F+K > BKO is awesome.
33P4P still connecting means her general combo's are still useful. Shame it's not safer on block though.
It took 12 years but she finally has a new taunt!
BKO 2K will be her go to FT now that 6P doesn't force tech.
BKO 4K? Did you mean BT 4K?
She is still gonna be FT heavy it just means that she won't be able to do full juggles in FT any more which seems fair.
Eliminating wake ups kicks/frame advantage = damage sacrifice. This seems very fair to me.
Instead of doing say: CB > BKO P+K > 4P+K > 4K > 4PPP > 6P
We will need to do: CB > BKO P+K > 4P+K > 4K > 4K > 66K2
Funnily enough when doing BKO 2K2 or BT 66K2 for PFT you get more frame advantage than 6P so constant PFT'ing is still very viable.
Jab still i11?
Thanks for the info dude, you having a good time?
F+K doesn't guard break, it guard crushes. Guard breaks guarantee a free attack whilst guard crushes are only pure frame advantage.
She does have launchers from BKO though. (CH) F+K and 6K, (NH) P+K and 66P.
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Very nice touches so far
ninjaguy446
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Yeah I meant BT 4K.
According to Bladez, 8PP can lead to backturn now And 33P4P wall hits now. BT 4PPP doesn't though.
According to Bladez, 8PP can lead to backturn now And 33P4P wall hits now. BT 4PPP doesn't though.
Omegan Eckhart
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8PP going into BT is quite useful, seeing as the low is -5 on NH. Is it still -5 on NH?
Using 33P4P in a combo is gonna be a 50/50 gamble now. If they don't tech and we do 2K we get a force tech, but if they tech and we do 2K and it whiff's we are FUCKED!
Any idea if she is safer?
236PKP was -2 BT 66K was 0 and PPP, PP4PP, 9PP, 66P, BT 6P, BKO 4PKP, BT 6KP were -5 before. Those were her only safe moves.
ninjaguy446
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66P now stuns and does not knockdown.
New moves:
6P+K P
66H+K
P+K has the new launch animation twirl thing.
I'm taking videos. I'll post them up when I get home tonight.
New moves:
6P+K P
66H+K
P+K has the new launch animation twirl thing.
I'm taking videos. I'll post them up when I get home tonight.