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Zack had some of the best intros and outros in FG history. For TN to give him just two measly win poses is disgraceful to Zack mains.
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werewolfgold
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Yeah, 2 is no good. He and Alpha literally have the fewest. Well, I guess Bayman kind of only has two with an extra Leon quote.
Bottom line is, more win poses.
UpSideDownGRUNT
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DOA4 and Dimensions that ruined alot of Character's personalities, not exactly just DOA5 but some got better or worse in DOA5/U and some are still the same(Momiji, Rachel as in NG, Ein and Leon)
Last I recall Momiji wasn't apologizing every two seconds in Ninja Gaiden as I hacked people up.
She's not overly aggressive or mean-spirited or cocky or anything, but DOA made her such a fucking softy it's sickening. Every goddamn thing she does in DOA is either a bow, an apology, surprise that she didn't totally fail or some combination of the three.
They mucked up Momiji quite pitifully in DOA, imo.
AsheMann21
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Anyway,
They are trying to make her too Yamato Nadeshiko. "The ideal Japanese woman" archetype. Mostly why they put her along with Kokoro in the "True Japanese Beauties" bundle.
To each their own, but I get tired of that archetype. Every Japanese girl in a video game has to say "Sorry" or "Repent" every two seconds. It's gotten so absurd that I think if I were sent to hell for being the magnificent bastard I am, my eternal torture would consist of having the side of my face sewn onto the anus of a bull, and it's sphincter would whisper "gomen nasai" into my ear over and over again.
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Tirahrr
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I agree, there's way too many of these in the game already. The majority of the girls are now either Yamato Naseshikos or Cutesy Moe girls. Kasumi, Kokoro and Momiji being the former and Lei Fang, Hitomi and Marie Rose being the latter.
Funny how it's almost entirely the Asian girls too (except Ayane). I would love to see a cool Asian girl that isn't a brat. That's really what Momiji should've been. Not Kasumi and Kokoro's love child.
And god, I srsly miss when Hitomi and Lei Fang weren't always acting like a cutesy moe blobs. Especially Hitomi. ;n;
Argentus
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That's not alcohol.
That's acid.
It makes me terrified that Mila will also become flanderized into a cutesy girl. In her case shell probably be turned into a constantly squeeing fan girl based on the diner scene when she realized who Tina was.
The fact that most of her dlc leans more towards cute than Mila as it is worries me so much.
Tirahrr
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I'm worried about this too. The fact that she was bunched with the cute girls for the Pop Idol DLC got me thinking this might happen to her too like it did Lei Fang and Hitomi. I just want her to stay the ordinary girl she is now. She's so normal, and that's what I love about her.
But yeah, no more screwing with the character personalities please. Character development is fine, but what they've done to some of these characters definitely isn't development, it's the opposite.
FatalxInnocence
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Hmmmm, I'm going to disagree here >_>
a ) DOA isn't a life or death situation.
b ) She isn't fighting with her weapon of choice, a naginata.
c ) None of her appearances in previous NGs show she is even capable of hand to hand combat.
d ) I'm not sure what Momiji you've been watching in NG, but shes never been mean spirited, cocky, or aggressive.
You can't compare a situation where there are actual villains trying to kill her, to a tournament situation where people are just there to test their strength. Take into consideration she isn't using her primary weapon, and the fact this is her first tournament. The girl is going to question her ability. Also, she is a shrine maiden... bowing is perfectly natural.... It's also a show of respect in Japanese culture. The lower you bow, the more respect you're showing.
Similar situation was people going off about "How Kasumi would never kill" and "Her addition in NG is so uncharacteristic." < - and to this I simply laugh and tell them to watch her DOA3 ending. She is capable of killing, and will do it to protect the ones she loves and in self-defense. Just because you don't want to, doesn't mean you wont do it.
UpSideDownGRUNT
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EDIT: tying back to DOA
I think P4 is more apologetic than Kasumi, atleast DOA5 Kasumi anyway.
werewolfgold
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That's pretty graphic. I dare say you've spent too much time thinking about this. lol
I, too, grow tired of cutesy moeblobs. Momiji is fine, as she just strikes me as polite. I can do polite. But, cutesy moeblobs I can only take so much of...
Chapstick
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that's who she is already
The title would indicate otherwise.
So? When she was using a katana she wasn't apologizing for her existence, either.
Trained since birth in a ninja village by the Singular Siper Ninja Ryu Hayabusa himself.
Not capable of hand-to-hand combat.
Sure.
That would be what I just said...
Yeah but why'd they have to do this stereotypical bullshit with her, too? As if we didn't already have enough of 'em in this game (or every other game for that matter). Momiji wasn't like this in NG, whether as a result of the situation or otherwise. So even in the most liberal sense, you would be arguing that we've never seen her in this new context, so she could act like anything.
So, we should make her interesting, right? Nope! Make her a cardboard archetype who acts exactly like the other spineless, doormat women in the game. I guess I just saw potential there, and they just wasted it.
Then again I feel the exact same way about her moveset and gameplay as well, so I guess they just wanted a fully complete disappointment package.
The sad thing is that I actually used to be a big Momiji fan before 5U.
Now I can't stand her.
FatalxInnocence
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Instead of quoting everything individually I'm just going to say this. You're interest in her prior to DOA was based solely on the image of her killing villains. That was it. In which case, I can get the disappointment of you disliking her cause you didn't know how she would be in a situation not involving life or death. HOWEVER, you were aware she is a shrine maiden. Momiji is very traditional, and she comes off that way. So, I feel you shouldn't have been surprised considering her cutscenes in NGS2 and NG3RE which suggest she is kind and caring.
Again, we didn't see her use hand to hand skills. Everything beyond that is assumption. I could say, for all we know Momiji self taught herself Aikijutsu which is why it turned out... so unlike the style. Or we could say that she was training with Hayabusa but because he's so much more skilled than her it ended in her defeat every time in which he would just walk away and say "Keep practicing." Ryu is a busy ninja, I doubt he has the time to just sit there and hone her hand-to-hand skills. Perhaps he told her to enter the tournament in order to hone her hand to hand skills? there's so many possibilities. But its clear that she's not 100% confident in her hand-to-hand combat. And nothing prior to this suggest she should be.
~ Also, the only 2 girls who actually act cutesy are Marie Rose & Hitomi. Being feminine doesn't make you cutesy. Or is everyone basing "cutesy" off style of clothing? =S
Chapstick
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^^^Yes
I loved her in NG. And now I can't even look at her face without getting mad. Not only the reasons you described but she's also a pain in the ass to fight and a person can only handle so many condescending "very good!" taunts
Argentus
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Exactly. I pretty much only use c2 and c6 right now because they suit her because they are just normal clothes, casual and workout! Her whole "down to earth everyday girl you'll see around town" thing is a big part of why I like her so much!
I'm well aware that you only say that to irk me since there's no possible way you can actually believe that, but still I respond with "except no. A single moment of excited realization that the daughter of your idol just sat down at the diner you work at, does not equal constantly squeeing fan girl"
You can be traditional, kind and caring without being a total doormat.
But actually yes, I did have an idea of how she acted outside of immediate life or death situations prior to 5U, since there are scenes of her in such situations. And actually there was more that appealed to me about the character than her strictly "killing villains" as you hastily suggested, but I'm not really going to go into all that because TN just went 180 on basically everything so there's little to nothing appealing about the character in her current DOA iteration anymore.
We also don't see Hayabusa wipe his ass after taking a shit, but it's pretty logical to assume he knows how to do it.
Given Momiji's situation, history, displayed scenarios, abilities and the confirmation that she has been trained in the ninja arts by the greatest ninja of all time, it's also logical to assume Ryu's taught her some pretty legit hand-to-hand skills.
But nothing prior to DOA suggests she shouldn't be confident about her abilities either. That's the point. The only evidence we have of her confidence is knowing that without hesitation she will jump into a battle to fight evil, inter-dimensional beings and kill other skilled ninjas. She could easily be confident in hand-to-hand as well, if TN went that route. She could have gone either way, but TN copped out and went with pussy mode yet again, because apparently they felt we didn't have enough of these obnoxious fuckers in the game already.
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Jadeinchains
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I agree with just about all of this. I hate Mila's cutesy and or half naked outfits because to me Mila is the girl next door type girl who isn't provocative in anyway and just so happens to be pretty. The only cutesy outfit i'll admit i like is her trench coat casual wear. But when they give her outfits like that crap string bikini i just sigh because they have girls like Tina to have provocative outfits.
In regards to Momiji, I have not played Ninja Gaiden yet so i have no clue how she acts in that.
But i'll say that i'am also bored with the cutesy "oh gee i won tee hee" type girls.
KwonJigglypuff
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Who are the fastest and slowest characters in terms of running ? Is there such a stat ? I never realized...
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